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From Brad Neuberg <>
Subject RE: [feedparser] Getting Brad Neuberg CVS commit
Date Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:37:01 GMT
Hi folks.  Thanks for all the feedback.  One thing is I've been hired by 
Kevin at his startup company, Rojo, and one of my main full-time 
responsibilities is to help maintain and improve the Jakarta Feed 
Parser.  I'll continue posting all of my patches here.  One of the issues 
is that the quantity and size of my patches is increasing, such as one I am 
going to land this morning; it is getting difficult for Kevin to hand apply 
all of the patches since he is quite busy with getting other parts of Rojo 
going.  This was starting to affect my work since I was waiting for him to 
apply some patches before moving on to the next ones, but it was taking him 
awhile to do so because of his work load.  I understand, though, that the 
Apache Jakarta community has its own process that I must respect.

At 01:54 AM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
>I know it feels like a chicken and an egg sort of problem...  One of the
>historical aspects of commons is that half the code came from other
>projects, and half started from scratch.  At least for the code that came
>from other projects meant that they already had committers involved,
>facilitating access.  And those started from scratch where started by people
>involved in Commons already.
>I always recommend that someone pick up one or two projects to be involved
>with.  That way, as traction is lost on one, progress can be made on the
>other, and you don't get too siloed...
>I am sure that with a periond of involvement the demonstrates his abilities
>and that he gets the "Apache Way" that he will gain access.  We just all
>need to get to know him!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig McClanahan []
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:26 AM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Subject: Re: [feedparser] Getting Brad Neuberg CVS commit
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:14:33 -0700, Kevin A. Burton
> > <> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brad is working full time on feedparser and you're essentially telling
> > > him he can't get CVS access until its 1.0. How are we supposed to GET it
> > > to 1.0 it he can't get CVS access?
> > >
> >
> > That's certainly not clear from the email history.  For example, you
> > could help this cause a lot if you mentioned (in your CVS commit
> > messages) which one were applied because Brad did them instead of you.
> >  Nobody can tell that he did *any* of the work.
> >
> > > Do you see the problem here?
> > >
> > > I think the issue is that right now for the jakarta sandbox if you give
> > > Brad access then you're giving him access to a number of other projects.
> > > He doesn't want access to other projects he just wants access
> > to FeedParser.
> > >
> >
> > The deeper issue is that you seem to expect Apache to work like
> > SourceForge, which it doesn't.  Committer access is earned (based on
> > demonstrated contributions), not requested -- and it's voted on by
> > other committers (in this particular case, those who commit to Jakarta
> > Commons projects), not granted to non-current-committers simply
> > because of asking.
> >
> > The fact that jakarta-commons-sandbox is all under the control of a
> > single set of karma is an unfortunate fact of our current CVS
> > implementation, but it makes absolutely no difference to the case.
> > Any prospective Commons committer who couldn't be trusted to play by
> > the rules shouldn't be a committer on *any* Apache project.  On the
> > other hand, granting sandbox-wide or commons-wide (which happens when
> > sandbox projects get promoted) karma is a key tool in increasing the
> > community of active developers on individual packages, because it
> > reduces the barrier to jump in and help.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > Craig
> >
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Brad Neuberg,
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