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From Tim Reilly <>
Subject Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations
Date Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:03:52 GMT
> Does the ASF and the FSF not get along?
Philosophically Yes!

The FSF philosophy is that software is a right. The Apache philosophy
is basically "give credit where credit is due", but your programs that
are derived from ASL software need not be free, and may be commercial
works. Sort of a socialism versus capitalism analogy. (Disclaimer -
it's been way too long since studying Rousseau, Marx don't
flame me if socialism isn't correct)

>From GNU - "Copyleft licenses such as the GNU GPL insist that modified
versions of the program must be *free software as well*. Non-copyleft
licenses do not insist on this."
Part of the GPL on derivative work; 
"You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole
or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part
thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties
under the terms of this License."

Ok, so FSF is ALL about free software and keeping it free. The GPL is
all about making sure commercial programs don't swipe the code to make
an enhanced for profit version.
But then there's the LGPL basically created as to allow shared library
code to be used by proprietary vendors as well.

The problem as I see it is that the LGPL was written with C/C++ in
mind, thus the words "linked", "object code", "object files" etc, are
used. For example; "We use this license for certain libraries in order
to permit *linking* those libraries into non-free programs."
- the relevance of the wording in regards to Java, scripted languages
etc, makes everything less than clear.

Well, the FSF is coming up to its 20th anniversary. Perhaps, we can
help them celebrate by asking them to reword the licenses in a more
language neutral manner.

I have no legal background. I'm just expressing my own conclusions
after researching this question, and trying to figure out what the
problem was.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:41:28 +0100, Ricardo Gladwell
<> wrote:
> Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> > Excluding LGPLed projects is just a political decision imho.
> >
> > Emmanuel Bourg
> Sorry for sounding newbie about this, but what exactly are the political
> difficulties to hosting LGPL and ASL projects on the domain.
> Does the ASF and the FSF not get along?
> Kind regards,
> -- Ricardo
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