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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: Licensing (was: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations)
Date Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:22:01 GMT

I'll work to resolve the lack of published information. It's more than
just LGPL really, we need a page that lists all acceptable
OSI-accepted licences. LGPL is just the biggest issue as it's probably
the 2nd most common open-source Java licence behind BSD-like.

As far as the FUD/IANAL stuff, it's all pretty honest but I'm happy to
take a stand and say that we won't have LGPL in Jakarta code until we
hear otherwise from the board.

I'd love to be using JFreeChart here, but it's LGPL. 


(Henning's .sig is especially apt in his reply btw. :)  )

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:13:30 +0000 (UTC), Henning P. Schmiedehausen
<> wrote:
> "Eric Pugh" <> writes:
> >This is really driving me crazy..  I have tracked threads on general and
> >jakarta-pmc mailing lists about this..  And everytime it comes down to "I am
> >not a lawyer" and a bunch of FUD.  We really need someone from the top of
> >Apache to provide direction.  I work a lot with hibernate code and can think
> >of at least 4 projects that have hibernate code in them (at least as far as
> >import statements).
> There _is_ a clear statement from the board. And even though we don't
> really like it technology-wise, it is sound from a licensing point of
> view.
> #1 "No LGPL dependencies in code delivered from *"
> #2 "import <xxx>" where <xxx> is a LGPLed package is already a dependency.
> I think that Geir made this clear on general@.
> So every project that does have e.g. Hibernate dependencies in there
> must move off-Apache. This holds true for some maven-plugins and it
> would also hold true for a possible Hibernate-related
> commons-configuration module.
> This is not a bad thing IMHO. Apache is mainly about community and the
> drive to keep the "sources clean".
> Having some modules or code being outside (e.g. on
> SourceForge) shouldn't be a big problem. We add a "links to related
> stuff" to the site and everything is fine.
>         Regards
>                 Henning
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