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From "Mark R. Diggory" <>
Subject Re: [all] Math needs a "user" email list.
Date Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:22:02 GMT
Do you get my argument though?

I'm suggesting that creating the new list will help promote maths 
'non-developer' user base who are interested in algorithms and stability 
(not because the load is too high). Individuals who are not interested 
in usage of other commons components per se. Individuals like Kim or 
David (or anyone from the jama or colt lists), who may not necessarily 
be developing Apache code, but could supply excellent discussion on the 
subject area. It would really help to promote the project and attract a 
many individuals who are knowledgeable in the field of mathematics, thus 
offering expert feedback to help improve the product. A math library is 
a much different beast than a collections api, discovery or bean 
utilities; certain standards are expected. I want a list where such 
things can be discussed without risking being bothersome to the commons 
developer/user lists with overly abstract discussion on mathematics and 
not overwhelming such math users with discussion from other commons 

I think providing a user friendly environment is important here, and 
someone barking "use a filter stupid, its not our fault" is really not 
very user friendly, ASF has the facilities and can do better.

Phil Steitz wrote:

>Sorry, but I still am not seeing the need here.  There is very little commons-user traffic
related to [math].  My understanding is that the http-client split was driven by high traffic.
 Commons-dev and commons-user benefit from a large community who comment / make suggestions
on multiple components.  I am opposed to splitting j-c components into separate lists / projects
unless the traffic reaches the "bothersome" level. 
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: Mark R. Diggory [] 
>	Sent: Fri 8/13/2004 11:58 AM 
>	To: Jakarta Commons Developers List 
>	Cc: 
>	Subject: Re: [all] Math needs a "user" email list.
>	>
>	>
>	>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Mark R. Diggory wrote:
>	>
>	> 
>	>
>	>>> Would it be wise to establish a Jakarta Math project outside of commons
>	>>> to support these sort of listserv interactions with users, even though
>	>>> its unclear what code would be housed there? Or should we only start a
>	>>> parent project if we have non-commons specific code to add to it and
>	>>> just creat a email list specific for math users? I'm not sure what would
>	>>> be the best approach.
>	>>>
>	>>> -Mark
>	>>   
>	>>
>	>
>	>I'd suggest going to the commons-math-user mail list, and seeing what
>	>happens. If the community grows, then we can go in the direction the
>	>community's makeup suggests.
>	>
>	>Hen
>	> 
>	>
>	+1, Following a path similar to HttpClient.
>	> Phil Steitz wrote:
>	>
>	>I agree with Henri on this -- I do not see the need at present and I would like to
keep commons-user (which is not that high traffic, actually) consolidated.  People can easily
filter, as they can on commons-dev as well.
>	>
>	>Phil
>	>
>	Phil, Its unclear to what your agreeing? Hen was +0. Your comment sounds
>	like your not wanting it (ie -0).
>	I strongly think the reason that commons-user is low traffic is that
>	users do not want to get email for stuff they are not interested in nor
>	do they want to manage complex filter rules on their email, so they
>	never join it.
>	Believe me, I've worked IT support for university professors, sometimes
>	I'm very surprised they even know what an email account is...let alone
>	filtering.
>	-Mark
>	--
>	Mark R. Diggory
>	Software Developer
>	Harvard MIT Data Center
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