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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: [general] Book time - Pro Jakarta Commons
Date Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:14:51 GMT
i think that links to books and articles on jakarta products are (in 
general) a good thing. documentation is the weakness of most jakarta 
products. it's much easier to persuade a coder to submit a patch adding 
a feature than a technical author to submit good documentation. both 
books and articles serve a useful purpose in allow us to concentrate on 

i've heard the argument that people can find this information using 
google but it may be buried so deep in the search results as to be 
effectively invisible. providing links to resources serves a useful 
purpose by increasing the chance that the existing information will be 
found (whether directly or indirectly through a search engine).

as it becomes larger and more diverse, the ASF will necessarily need 
more central control over policy. it will also become more and more 
difficult to establish consensus on any issue. (take, for example, the 
fate of the jakarta newsletter when it was promoted to apache-wide 
status.) innovation will have to happen more and more offshore at arms 
length. (contrast, for example, codehaus and planetapache with 

sooner or later, the ASF will probably need to create a policy related 
to endorsements but AFAIK they have not felt the need to do so yet and 
are happy to allow the community to police itself. i agree that a 
disclaimer would be useful to make it clear that these are not official 

but my main concern over tacit endorsements is that they have been the 
cause of personal conflicts which have been damaging to ASF development 
communities. IMHO disclaimers are not sufficient in this case.

maybe we should think hard about the struts solution (an offshore but 
linked community resources page).

- robert

On 6 Mar 2004, at 23:13, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Perhaps the non-endorsement sentiment could also be enforced by name of
> the section such links would appear under. Instead of a title like
> "Resources", maybe "Elsewhere" or "External Resources" or ...
> Gary
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Davey []
>> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 14:37
>> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
>> Subject: Re: [general] Book time - Pro Jakarta Commons
>> robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> i think that links to new books and articles on jakarta is useful
> but
>> tacit endorsements of particular products is a little bit of a
> sensitive
>> subject.
>> How about a simple disclaimer.  Something like:
>> The following links are provided as a community resource. The
>> information provided does not necessarily reflect the views of the
>> community or any individual.  While The Apache Software Foundation may
>> officially endorse or promote some of the information linked to from
>> this page, a link from this page, in itself, should not be cosidered
>> official endorsement or promotion.  To add a link, please email
>> --
>> Michael
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