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From "Mark R. Diggory" <>
Subject Re: Move Commons projects below "Project Documentation" in Navigation
Date Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:48:06 GMT

Martin Cooper wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark R. Diggory []
>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:15 PM
>>To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
>>Subject: Re: Move Commons projects below "Project Documentation" in
>>Martin Cooper wrote:
>>>>It looks like this feature is pretty new to the xdoc plugin cvs and not
>>>>currently in this release candidate. I suspect it will be in the next,
>>>>otherwise I can recommend that we upgrade all our xdoc plugin tot eh
>>>>latest release.
>>>It seems to me that this is, at least in part, why Maven has not even
>>>reached a 1.0 release, after it's been around, and been used,
>>for so long.
>>>If they're adding new features in a release candidate, I don't have much
>>>confidence that there ever will be a 1.0 final release. ;-(
>>>Martin Cooper
>>Hmm, but Maven itself hasn't changed, its the natural evolution of the
>>plugins alone. the xdoc and site plugins are naturally going to advance
>>in feature as more users provide input.
>>You can "upgrade" the plugins very easily in Maven, if anything this
>>flexibility makes Maven even stronger. I disagree with the comment about
>>a 1.0 release, the features in a specific plugin arn't going to define
>>or limit the release of Maven itself.
> That's all very nice, but it doesn't matter to me as a regular Maven user
> any more than whether it's a standard plugin or the core itself that's
> broken when I have a problem with Eclipse. From my perspective, if I
> download Maven and something isn't working, Maven is broken, regardless of
> whether it's a plugin or the core. (For example, as far as I'm concerned,
> Maven RC1 is broken because it generates incorrect Ant build files, where
> prior versions worked. It doesn't matter to me if that's because of a plugin
> bug, it's still broken.)
> --
> Martin Cooper


Every situation can be viewed from anywhere within a continuum of 
negative to positive perspectives. How often we are quick to levy blame 
when what is really needed is a helping hand.

I'd rather see my discussions stay on topic. This one no longer is...

Mark Diggory
Software Developer
Harvard MIT Data Center

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