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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:19:00 GMT
i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it 
should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it 

the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the 
functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be 
added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need 
to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two 
minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm 
not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally 
important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone 
else would need to act as release manager.)

i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now 
but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces 
in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta 
stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this 
mess :(

now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :)

i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected 
a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up 
to do.

realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored 
stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards 
compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my 
mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other 
committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and 
putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.

- robert

On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote:

> Understood.  I'm in the same boat as you.
> Let me know if you need any release support.  In the meantime, if you 
> find
> yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
> I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
> philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
> something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
> Tim
> On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
>> on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
>> new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but 
>> that
>> is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
>> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
>> other projects.
>> So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then 
>> when
>> I can schedule a betwixt night.
>> Mvgr,
>> Martin
>> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>>> Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would 
>>> like to
>>> start using it in production systems.
>>> Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
>>> alpha?  and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
>>> Tim
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