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From Martin van den Bemt <>
Subject RE: [codec] JIRA
Date Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:25:26 GMT

+1 on your reply..


On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 07:15, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > How has bugzilla been an impediment?
> A lot of people have complained about the performance.  Many people have
> said that they do not like working with it, and don't.  No one has wanted to
> invest the effort in bugzilla.
> Be that as it may, using Jira is a choice.
> > More importantly, how does moving to proprietary software over currently
> > well functioning OSS software benefit the community?
> Others have given some examples of why, but basically Jira benefits us by
> providing a vastly better platform for managing our software projects.
> Which, interestingly enough, provides the core for Jira.
> Note that Atlassian is not some corporate giant.  They are tiny company
> making a living by building a fine product on top of Open Source components.
> >From where I sit, that makes them an ASF success story.
> > So we're going to put in all this effort to migrate the commons to
> > proprietary software instead of improving the current OSS offerings
> No, there is relatively little effort that we need to put into migration.
> Atlassian has put in an effort, but it isn't much for us on our end.  So
> that means that we can invest our effort in our own OSS offerings.  Which is
> kind of the point.  :-)
> I certainly encourage anyone who wants to join to do so.
> > Couldn't the same amount of effort be spent improving our current system?
> In the past two years, no one has wanted to do so.  It would be a weak
> statement to say that none of the people involved in dealing with bugzilla
> have expressed any interest in maintaining it.
> > Part of the fun of developing code at Apache is knowing that we're helping
> > other people without asking for anything in return.
> Then perhaps you might smile in delight at the achievement that a handful of
> people are able to support their families with a good idea, good
> implementation, and active support built on top of that work.  Which is just
> what the ASF license is designed to allow.
> 	--- Noel
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