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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: math to apache commons was Re: [all] Separate email list for math development?
Date Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:06:14 GMT
On 11 Nov 2003, at 11:31, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

> On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>> On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 14:24, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> <snip/>
>>> so - is there a positive alternative? i'd like to propose that
>>> common-maths continues to be affiliated with jakarta-commons but
>>> becomes managed by apache commons.
>> +1, I think that now is the right time to move commons math to
>> Apache Commons.
> What does 'affiliated' mean?

i can't recall just now who coined it but here's what i meant by the 

most users interactive with jakarta through the website and newsletter. 
for them, a product is part of jakarta if it's listed in the products 
section of the jakarta side bar (and - to a lesser extent - is 
categorized under jakarta in the newsletter). issues of management 
shouldn't really need to concern a user too much.

if they can click on a link to the product's home page from the jakarta 
sidebar and join the product's mailing list from the jakarta mailing 
list page then the product is part of jakarta (as least as far as they 
are concerned). of course, if a product is managed by another pmc, then 
the product website will be hosted under a separate virtual host and 
linked from the main project website. similarly the mailing list will 
not be @jakarta. but from a user's perspective, the product will still 
be part of jakarta.

affiliation was the term coined to express this kind of relationship.

of course, this only applies if product move to top level projects 
which offer multiple products. it seems to me that this is the only 
(positive) way that jakarta can be reduced in size until it again 
become manageable (but maybe this is a matter for the members...)

- robert

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