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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Henri Yandell <bayard@generationjava.com>
To: John Farrell <Farrell_John_W@cat.com>
Cc: Jakarta Commons Users List <commons-user@jakarta.apache.org>,
	Jakarta Commons Developers List <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Subject: [jelly] Jelly needs a release   Was: jelly demos don't compile even
 with the jars
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[Cross-posting]

John Farrel has had lots of trouble trying to get the released version of
Jelly to build. So I figured I'd run through the instructions Jelly gives:

Downloaded the jar.

Running 'ant' as the README says. It's getting lots of jars, but failing
on jms, xsdlib and jdbc. Then of course it dies. Running maven normally
with 'maven' would be no different.

This is with Maven 0.7, which I suspect is what this version of Jelly was
created against [or 0.4+]. I find that 0.4->0.7 of Maven are fairly
compatible, but that 0.8 can hit problems in compatibility.

So the basic problem here is that Jelly hasn't been released since July
2002 [and is still at beta 3]. The source is not buildable for beta-3.

Looking at CVS, beta-4-SNAPSHOT is what is being worked upon. It no longer
relies upon xsdlib, jdbc and jms. Checking it out and running 'maven' as
the README now suggests gives me a file not found for ../project.xml.
Always a pain :) Grabbing that and LICENSE.txt which will also be needed,
it builds happily.

Jelly has no nightly build, which is odd as most of Commons does have a
nightly build.

It seems to me that Jelly should push out beta-4 if only so that a
buildable version is out there. Of course, there have been 689 commits
since that release, so I imagine the codebase might not be ready to walk
out the door.

Hen

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, John Farrell wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:50 pm, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > I've found that the speed of Maven can get frustrating at times.
>
> Actually, the speed of maven didn't worry me. It's just all the mucking around
> using cvsgrab, trying to figure out how to get jelly without all of commons,
> searching wikis and websites, searching through code to find out what is
> really going on, and so on.
>
> > Could you let me know which particular jelly source download you grabbed?
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/commons-jelly/distributions/
>
> I know I tried the commons-jelly-1.0-beta-3-src.tar.gz at least once, maybe
> the zip as well. Silly me thought that the old modification dates meant the
> product was stable. To get to that page, you go to
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/jelly/
>
> and click on Download, so I really expected it to be up to date. Thanks Henri.
>
> John
>


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