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From Phil Steitz <stei...@yahoo.com>
Subject RE: [codec] Update dependencies.html with Java req, and more.
Date Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:35:16 GMT

--- Henri Yandell <bayard@generationjava.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah. How to integrate either commercial tools like Clover, or GPL
> tools
> > > like JDiff, is something that confuses me at the moment. We could
> have a
> > > separate project.xml/project.properties or a build.xml, but I'm not
> sure
> > > that would work easily.
> >
> > It is a touchy situation.  If I have the commercial binary for Clover
> 1.2
> > licensed to Codec, where do I put it?, and  Who can I give it to?  I
> think
> > putting the binaries on Icarus is a good solution, other committers can
> > grab the binaries and use them for site generation.
> 
> I say you don't put it anywhere. Merely provide instructions on how the
> committer/contributor would obtain it [and if they can]. Thus my thoughts
> on it being a build-extension to the main one.
> 
> > But, who is allowed to use this binary?  We expect contributors to
> submit
> 
> Case by case basis.

How do I go about requesting this?  

Phil
> 
> > My point being, even though we have some very active, valuebale
> > contributors, I don't think we're allowed to distribute Clover binaries
> to
> > non-committers.
> 
> Yep. Possibly you could have a sandbox for pending code and a clover that
> ran on that. But not nice. Or the person integrating the patch in would
> run clover.
> 
> > I'll turn the clover report back on, but I think that we should favor
> free
> > when there is a choice.  I'd rather not even hav to deal with the above
> 
> When the open-source product can compete, yeah.
> 
> > unit tests - but, last time I checked JCoverage didn't work very well
> and
> > was available under one of those annoying GPL/commercial schemes (like
> > MySQL).  Quilt is reportedly close to a maven plugin.  We'll see what
> > happens with that.
> 
> That reportedly close built is at least a year old. I've not heard much
> on
> it since Maven started 18 months ago.
> 
> > > > Now, here's some philosophy.  Clover is a great tool, but, it isn't
> free
> > > > or open source.  I worry that the ASF makes a mistake when it
> starts to
> > > > rely on proprietary utilities such as Clover and JIRA.  I'm not
> sure if a
> > > > good discussion has been started on the subject.
> > >
> > > I believe in supporting commercial tools which provide open source
> > > projects with a good deal. If an open source variant with competable
> > > features [and a usable licence] exists, then it's the better choice.
> > >
> >
> > I think getting into commercial tools reduces the accessibility of the
> > project for non-committers.  I like Clover, but I'd like it much better
> if
> > I knew that some college student interested in working on this project
> > could download a free version.
> 
> At no point should a commercial, GPL or other non-compatible licensed
> software be on the critical path for any Apache project. I see no problem
> with Apache paying 50,000 dollars for some commercial application, if it
> is licensed under BSD and we are then able to distribute it for free to
> our users. Unlikely to happen, but not a problem :)
> 
> > A few months ago there was an email war on community@ about licensing
> > issues, and, if I remember correctly, there is nothing prohibiting us
> from
> > using GPL, LGPL "tools".
> 
> We cannot distribute them basically. So it's the same as a commercial
> tool. Only use it as an aid/extension, not as a critical path. ie) No
> real
> need for people to run clover or jdiff themselves, what they really care
> about is the output of clover/jdiff, so we just need to be able to
> produce
> that regularly.
> 
> Hen
> 
> 
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