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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] promote commons attributes to the commons proper
Date Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:23:15 GMT
the main reason why i'm actively opposed to adding committers for sandbox 
components is that i believe that it's beyond the scope of the commons 
charter. there are several senior figures at apache who are concerned 
about jakarta-commons. one is on record as believing that the contents of 
the sandbox breaks the jakarta charter. i hope that you'll understand the 
reasons why i'm concerned that we're seen to be following the rules.

james - if you feel so strongly, then you might consider voting in jon 
through the pmc with jakarta-commons-sandbox privileges. (there can be no 
doubt that the pmc has the right to do this.)

forking the code base is another perfectly valid solution. or someone 
could approach the incubator (or apache commons) where the rules are 

on the other hand, the effort to prepare commons-attributes shouldn't be 
too great (i've done it for a few other components) especially given the 
plan that jon proposes. i'd volunteer myself but i really, really don't 
have time at the moment.

- robert

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Paul Hammant wrote:

>> Jon, Paul - this is all seeming a little painful to make useful
>> progress working within Jakarta Commons. Adding 1 non-apache committer
>> to a sandbox project seems too hard right now - we're stuck in a
>> chicken and egg - some don't want non-apache committers working in the
>> sandbox and some don't want us promoting a project to commons proper so
>> we can add a new committer.
>> Why don't we just scrap commons-attributes in the sandbox and move the
>> project over to instead? Its certainly the easiest option.
> We're using commons-attributes in AltRMI (Incubator). To switch and use a 
> codehaus module is that
> OK politically? The solution is certainly viable though.  The loss to 
> Apache would be large.
> Cannot we try to persuade people here that the catch-22 is worth 
> overcoming?
> - Paul
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