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From "Mark R. Diggory" <>
Subject [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
Date Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:18:47 GMT
Thanks Tetsuya,

I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.

I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get 
there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure 
all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure 
others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians 
recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)


Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
> I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become,  be promoted to
> commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
> projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
> In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
> and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
> To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
> 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
> 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
> or
> 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
> These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
> I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
> Sincerely,
> Tetsuya
> --
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
> (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
> robert burrell donkin <> wrote:
>>i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities 
>>required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the 
>>commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to 
>>the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's 
>>against the spirit of the common charter.
>>as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the sandbox,
>>  nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and 
>>exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that the 
>>commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
>>i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that we 
>>need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the 
>>commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is 
>>insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be 
>>insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to ask 
>>the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that commons-math 
>>has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that phil 
>>doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally 
>>but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for 
>>sandbox components).
>>- robert
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