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From Tetsuya Kitahata <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz
Date Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:32:24 GMT
Hello, Robert and Mark, All.

I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become,  be promoted to
commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.

To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
3. #1 and #2 simultaneously

These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.

I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.




On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
(Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
robert burrell donkin <> wrote:

> i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities 
> required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the 
> commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to 
> the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's 
> against the spirit of the common charter.
> as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the sandbox,
>   nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and 
> exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that the 
> commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
> i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that we 
> need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the 
> commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is 
> insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be 
> insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to ask 
> the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that commons-math 
> has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that phil 
> doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally 
> but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for 
> sandbox components).
> -1
> - robert

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