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From "Juozas Baliuka" <bali...@mwm.lt>
Subject Re: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
Date Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:45:39 GMT

 Project must have community to be promoted. Component developed in sandbox
have a risk to die without users community. I think it  needs a few months
to live in sandbox to prove the community is active (or die in sandbox, not
in commons proper).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark R. Diggory" <mdiggory@latte.harvard.edu>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)


> Thanks Tetsuya,
>
> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
>
> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
> all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
> others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians
> recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
>
> -Mark
>
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
> >
> > I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become,  be promoted to
> > commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
> > projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
> > In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
> > and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
> >
> > To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
> > IMHO,
> > 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
> > 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
> > or
> > 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
> >
> > These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
> >
> > I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Tetsuya
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
> > (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
> > robert burrell donkin <robertburrelldonkin@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities
> >>required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the
> >>commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to
> >>the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's
> >>against the spirit of the common charter.
> >>
> >>as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
sandbox,
> >>  nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
> >>exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that
the
> >>commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
> >>
> >>i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that
we
> >>need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the
> >>commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is
> >>insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be
> >>insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to
ask
> >>the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that
commons-math
> >>has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that
phil
> >>doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally
> >>but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for
> >>sandbox components).
> >>
> >>-1
> >>
> >>- robert
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Tetsuya Kitahata --  Terra-International, Inc.
> > E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
> > http://www.terra-intl.com/
> > (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
> > http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
> >
> >
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