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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: opening up jakarta-commons-sandbox
Date Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:21:37 GMT
On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Jeremias Maerki wrote:

> Here's the vote (with proposed patch):

thanks for the url.

technically the VOTE passed but no one acted on it. i have a feeling that 
this was because those proposing the VOTE thought that there were issues 
remaining to be resolved. (that's why i'm in favour of posting 
[RESULT][VOTE] emails so that it's clear when a VOTE is complete.)

i'd say that leo did the right thing by raising the question before 
implementing the change. this should give anyone who objects the chance to 
veto it. (i've CC'd the PMC so that anyone from there who wants to raise 
an objection or has an opinion they want to express has the chance to do 
so. i'd suggest that do so here on commons-dev.)

> Is the Commons project already ramped up? I didn't follow.

IMHO this is the Apache Way :)

AFAIK the VOTE's been passed, the lists created and a PMC created. not 
much has happened since no one's had a compelling itch. if we collectively 
decide that moving the sandbox to commons and making it an apache-wide 
java repository is a Good Thing and that we have the collective energy to 
make this happen, then we'll ramp up the commons project.

- robert

> On 23.04.2003 15:43:25 robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> i don't recall a formal VOTE on this (but i'd be happy to be corrected if
>> someone could supply an archive url). i'd be in favour of widening 
>> sandbox
>> access to any java based components created by any apache committers but
>> IMHO to do this properly requires a change to the commons charter which
>> definitely requires a proper formal VOTE (rather than lazy consensus).
>> we might want to take this opertunity to think about the relationship
>> between jakarta-commons and the commons project. if the sandbox is going
>> to be opened up to all apache committers, it might be worth thinking 
>> about
>> whether it would there would be merit in asking the commons project to
>> take responsibility (from a PMC perspective) for the sandbox since it
>> would in effect be apache-wide.
> Jeremias Maerki
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