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From "Brekke, Jeff" <Jeff.Bre...@qg.com>
Subject Promotion of NET issues ( was RE: [VOTE] Promote NET to commons p roper was Release Plans )
Date Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:10:33 GMT
Summarizing issues delaying promotion:

*) No Status file.

I skimmed the charter again, and it refers to a status file to list
committers.  Won't either the generated docs or the project.xml due for that
information?  There is a task/todo list also, but again it contains items to
change after a release.

*) Not enough committers/small developer community

Understood.  As stated there seems to be a larger user community.  Before
the import into the sandbox there was a fair amount of both user and
development traffic on the yahoo mailing list.  It seems that the
commons-dev list sort of drowned out or scared off some potential
users/developers.  Just a thought.

*) (implied) More unit tests.

I do agree that more unit tests will help when making changes, but we
purposely trying not to make changes since the drop was from the production
version of NetComponents.  The ftp2 stuff could/should actually be removed
from the production drop.  We can do this if/when the tree is moved.

Thanks to everyone for their feedback.

=================================================================
Jeffrey D. Brekke                                   Quad/Graphics
Jeff.Brekke@qg.com                              http://www.qg.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper@tumbleweed.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:26 PM
> To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List'
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Promote NET to commons proper was Release Plans
> 
> 
> -0. It's just not ready.
> 
> * There's no status file, which is required.
> * As far as I can tell, the unit tests cover only FTP, while 
> the component
> covers a great deal more than that.
> * I have the same concern as Michael regarding number of 
> committers. Witness
> the recent "Plea for committal" thread as an example.
> 
> I'm -0 because I'm not currently involved with [net]. If I 
> was, I'd be -1.
> But I'd really hate to see us lower the barrier for Commons Proper
> components.
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Juozas Baliuka [mailto:baliuka@centras.lt]
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:48 AM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Subject: [VOTE] Promote NET to commons proper was Release Plans
> > 
> > 
> > +1
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brekke, Jeff" <Jeff.Brekke@qg.com>
> > To: "'Jakarta Commons Developers List'" 
> > <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: [NET] Release Plans
> > 
> > 
> > > No I think we should promote and work on those tasks post release.
> > > Not exactly sure how to start this process, just blast the 
> > list with an
> > > email?  Someone up for it?
> > >
> > > =================================================================
> > > Jeffrey D. Brekke                                   Quad/Graphics
> > > Jeff.Brekke@qg.com                              http://www.qg.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Juozas Baliuka [mailto:baliuka@centras.lt]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:04 PM
> > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > > Subject: Re: [NET] Release Plans
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you plan to compete some tasks in sandbox or
> > > > can we start to vote for promotion ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > OK, I've cobbled together the proposal xdoc from the original
> > > > NetComponents
> > > > > description and other commons proposal docs.
> > > > > I've updated the task list and regen'd the site.
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > =================================================================
> > > > > Jeffrey D. Brekke                                   
> > Quad/Graphics
> > > > > Jeff.Brekke@qg.com                              
> > http://www.qg.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Steve Downey [mailto:steve.downey@netfolio.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:05 PM
> > > > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [NET] Release Plans
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My understaning is that it should have a PROPOSAL.html, and
> > > > > > that is what is
> > > > > > voted on for the project to become a commons project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's really mostly a cut and paste from one of the other,
> > > > > > accepted, PROPOSALs
> > > > > > in commons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just checked the charter:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > # New packages may be proposed to the Jakarta 
> Commons mailing
> > > > > > list. To be
> > > > > > accepted, a package proposal must receive a positive
> > > > > > super-majority vote of
> > > > > > the subproject committers. Proposals are to identify the
> > > > > > rationale for the
> > > > > > package, its scope, its interaction with other packages and
> > > > > > products, the
> > > > > > Commons resources, if any, to be created, the initial source
> > > > > > from which the
> > > > > > package is to be created, and the initial set of committers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    1. The whole number of positive votes needed for a super
> > > > > > majority is
> > > > > > calculated by dividing the total number of active subproject
> > > > > > committers by
> > > > > > four, multiplying by three, and rounding to the 
> nearest whole
> > > > > > number (>= .5
> > > > > > rounds up).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how many active commiters there are now.
> > > > >
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