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From "Stephen Colebourne" <scolebou...@btopenworld.com>
Subject Re: [lang] JDK 1.0/1.1
Date Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:06:04 GMT
Having read the discussions, I too would now be happy to declare 1.2
compliance as the base.

Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henri Yandell" <bayard@generationjava.com>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>;
<bloritsch@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: RE: [lang] JDK 1.0/1.1


>
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
> > Microsoft is really only of academic interest.  Yes they just
> > released another version of their JDK 1.1.4, but it is just
> > as nonstandard now as it was then.
>
> Hopefully its days of holding applets back are gone.
>
> >
> > As to J2ME, constrained devices present some serious issues.
> >
> > My PDA has 2MB of memory for ALL my apps and ALL my data.  Phones
> > are not going to be much different.  The newer PDAs have a quite
> > roomy 8MB or more of RAM.
>
> Hmm. My wife's 2 year old PDA has 8 megs of RAM and 8 of ROM. Latest ones
> such as the Zaurus have 64 MBs. Equally, your point is very valid, there
> are many XML parsers in existence because the mainstream ones are 200k and
> a waste of space on a pda.
>
> > The important thing to realize with people developing J2ME is
> > that every bit counts.  Embedded programming is viewed more along
> > the lines of firmware than it is software.  As such, most J2ME
> > developers would most likely opt to redo as opposed to reuse.
> > If they do use Java Lang, it will definitely not be the whole
> > jar.  They will pull out the classes they need, and repackage it
> > inside their application.
>
> In the lower J2ME profiles yes. The upper ones, I don't think so. However,
> after thought I've decided the whole JDK 1.1 issue is not important.
> You're right about them not wanting to use the entire of Java Lang,
> exceptions don't exist on some platforms I believe. Might only be waba
> though.
>
> More importantly, I believe the upper J2ME profiles will have access to
> java.util.List etc, so we don't have to worry about having to use Vector
> etc. The market interested in a pure 1.1 environment is not as large as
> I'd first thought and I hereby attempt to disown the idea :)
>
> Hen
>
>
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