Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-commons-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 45532 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 01:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 01:33:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26818 invoked by uid 97); 24 Jun 2002 01:33:16 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 26762 invoked by uid 97); 24 Jun 2002 01:33:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact commons-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Reply-To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 26750 invoked by uid 98); 24 Jun 2002 01:33:15 -0000 X-Antivirus: nagoya (v4198 created Apr 24 2002) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Craig R. McClanahan" To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: unmavenising Commons projects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020623181207.J11177-100000@icarus.apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:57:44 -0700 > From: Jon Scott Stevens > Reply-To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: unmavenising Commons projects > > on 6/23/02 3:25 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: > > > The usability difference between Makefiles and build.xml files is so > > obvious that no marketing was required. The functionality difference > > between do-it-yourself build.xml files and Maven is clear, but requires > > you to buy in to a set of conventions that you didn't have any voice in > > developing, and don't necessarily address everyone's needs. > > Ant didn't solve everyone's needs at first either. > > So, join the community Craig. It is open source. > > > I share Costin's annoyance with Mavenites who think anyone who doesn't > > use it is stupid, and don't plan to convert any of the commons packages > > I'm involved in until after a 1.0 release, and until after agreement from > > the other committers on those packages. > > People were using Ant before it was released as 1.0. Including your company. > =) > Same with Struts before 1.0. But I bent over backwards not to make people change their struts-config.xml files (or their classes, for that matter) in the interim :-). > > This whole process might get accelerated a lot if the Maven propoents > > would ask around the other Jakarta projects for what *they* want a build > > system to do, outside the community that is already familiar with it or > > working on it. > > So, join the community Craig. It is open source. > Nah, building project management systems isn't my itch. I want to build things *I* am interested in, and use the interesting/useful things that others enjoyed building if they help me. I'd be OK with a commons-wide discussion and choice of a common build/project management toolset, were that to actually occur. Until then, I'm content with the existing build.xml approach. And it's not up to me to defend the status quo, when I'm not the one trying to change it. It's open source, but I'm still just a (potential) user, not a developer. I don't plan to ever download the source code of Maven (or Ant, for that matter); binary releases are just fine. I've got more interesting (to me) things to work on. But I'd happily listen to a sales pitch :-). > -jon Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: