Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-commons-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 95896 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 23:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 23:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 12498 invoked by uid 97); 2 Feb 2002 23:06:20 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 12482 invoked by uid 97); 2 Feb 2002 23:06:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact commons-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Reply-To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 12471 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 23:06:19 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: costinm owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release In-Reply-To: <200202022157.g12LvEE07067@mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Peter Donald wrote: > > > You mean users can become developers by participating? > > > > That's how open source works, Peter ! > > Almost all developers around here are users who choosed to participate. > > Which is precisely my point - thanks for demonstrating it ;) > > Choosing to participate (at least if you are doing it constructively) almost > auotmatically makes you a developer and you merit voting rights. Choosing to participate is what you do by sending feedback on commons-logger, or looking at the code and saying its ready for a release or not, or reviewing the commits and sending a -1 if something is wrong. Or monitoring a component your project depends on and getting involved ( by vetoing incompatible changes ) if something is wrong. You are saying simple users ( even if those simple users are jakarta commiters ) can't vote. I'm saying they do vote anyway - for example by duplicating the code ( and creating yet another DB pool or logger ). And by making sure the rules are set so their opinion matters as much as that of the original developers we may get them to trust the common component. If you don't trust other jakarta commiters, why should they trust you ? Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: