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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>
Subject Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
Date Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:10:41 GMT
On 2/1/02 5:52 PM, "Scott Sanders" <ssanders@nextance.com> wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@optonline.net]
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:51 PM
>> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
>> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/1/02 5:50 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Answer inline:
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott Sanders [mailto:ssanders@nextance.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:15 PM
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@optonline.net]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:04 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...
>>>>> And that's the problem that I think peter is pointing out - that
>>>>> people can have binding votes on projects that they have
>> nothing to 
>>>>> do with...
>>>> 
>>>> Peter probably has nothing to do with some of the server
>> components 
>>>> in Avalon, but he has a binding vote for them.  How is
>> that resolved?  
>>>> That is the same problem.
>>> 
>>> Life in Avalon is quite different and much less problematic. The
>>> framework focus seems to enforce a more homogeneous culture and
>>> consensus is easier. (Although there is still a lot of room for
>>> discussion and competing solutions.)
>> 
>> Whoa!  I don't understand.  You say there is a framework
>> focus, and Peter and Scott say that Avalon is no more
>> cohesive a set of components than Commons, which has no
>> framework focus.
>> 
>> Help me out here...
> 
> Focus on a paradigm != cohesiveness.  Avalon has several
> projects/components as does commons.  Commons allows any committer to do
> anything.  So does Avalon.  They are the same from these standpoints.
> 
> The focus on framework does not exist in Commons, which is the biggest
> difference.

Hm.  The discussion that I was participating in was related to the
relationships between the components, not the administrative and governance
model...


-- 
Geir Magnusson Jr.                                     geirm@optonline.net
System and Software Consulting
"We will be judged not by the monuments we build, but by the monuments we
destroy" - Ada Louise Huxtable


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