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From "Paulo Gaspar" <>
Subject RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
Date Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:22:21 GMT
It is a pity that I missed the start of THIS party but here I go!

Answer inline:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert burrell donkin []
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:11 PM
> ...
> (perhaps paulo realizes now why i refused to look at his logging material
> from avalon.)

I still think there is no excuse.

To give a practical example, I never hesitate at looking at Jon's code
and using it if it suites my needs. And if one day I really post my
common logging configuration mechanism, I will give him credit because
part of the code id from him.

A lot of people here knows about several of my past flames with Jon. I
still feel no problem about using his prior art instead of going trough
the silly waste of energy that went on here.

> hi berin
> from my point of view, avalon didn't influence the design any more than
> log4j. please search the list archives if you don't believe me. (i've
> taken a *lot* of flak about being unwilling to learning from avalon.)

IMO you are wrong

I gave several suggestions which were accepted and those suggestions
were completely based on what I learned from Avalon's code. The commons
used Avalon know how trough me.

> i've been waiting since the commons was started for a solution to our
> logging problem. every particular logging system that was proposed was
> vetoed (including avalon). commons-logging is unfortunately the only
> choice remaining on the table. it's either this or not having a solution
> at all,
> i personally couldn't care less about who gets attributed with what. if
> that's all that's bothering you, please submit a patch.
> on the other hand, if you think that we should be using
> whatever-bit-of-code-in-avalon then that's a different issue. please
> submit a alternative proposal so that we can vote on it.

The current interface is practically a copy of Avalon's.

> all i want is to have a solution to the logging problem.
> - robert

As I already _insisted_ before, the solution was there for a long time.

Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar

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