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From "Paulo Gaspar" <paulo.gas...@krankikom.de>
Subject RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
Date Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:55:48 GMT
> Maybe at that time we *didn't* want to work together for some
> very specific
> reasons. After all, the original commons proposal, which I was part of,
> was -1ed only by Peter, because we apparently had diverging opinions about
> how shared code should be governed.

And what do you think about forking from Avalon's code (giving due credit)
when you can not reach an agreement with them?

I would prefer someone forking from my code than ignoring it.


Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:remm@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:32 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
>
>
> > Remy Maucherat wrote:
> >
> > >>So that clinches it.  The _initial_ HttpClient abstraction was
> definitely
> > >>not informed by Avalon.  In fact, we had already packaged Logging as a
> > >>separate component by then.  (Hey, I guess I wrote the proposal.  I
> should
> > >>add myself as a contributor!)
> > >>
> > >>Maybe the Avalon abstraction should have a credit to HttpClient.  ;)
> > >
> > > +1 ;-)
> > > Although, seeing all this, I'm not sure I want to be involved
> in any way
> > > with Avalon ;-)
> >
> > However, if you guys tried to work with us from the outset, much of this
> > confusion would never have risen.
>
> Maybe at that time we *didn't* want to work together for some
> very specific
> reasons. After all, the original commons proposal, which I was part of,
> was -1ed only by Peter, because we apparently had diverging opinions about
> how shared code should be governed.
> Given the number of components in the commons, I think it has been quite
> successful with its goals, and it did abide by its basic principles
> (openness, bazaar style repository, extremely few external
> dependencies, no
> imposed coding style, etc etc).
>
> I'm also greatly disturbed by the timing and the ferocity of your
> complaints. AFAIK, nobody here did invent the facade pattern or the Logger
> interface (or whatever you choose to call it). It seems Rodney
> came up with
> something similar to LogKit by accident.
>
> Now, if all you want is some credit for "being there", then so be it, you
> have it :) You just could have asked it a lot sooner and in a lot
> nicer way.
>
> Scott added that: "That is the past.  This is the present, and I
> WANT Avalon
> and commons to work in harmony, not dischord."
> Well, maybe, but the present still reminds me of the past a lot :-(
> Hopefully, that's the last time it happens.
>
> Remy
>
>
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