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From "Paulo Gaspar" <paulo.gas...@krankikom.de>
Subject RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
Date Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:50:59 GMT
Remy,

At least this time the attitude problem did not start on the 
Avalon side.

After I insisted a lot about using the Avalon wrapper when a
many things were still wrong with the one at the commons, I
got this reply:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:robertdonkin@mac.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: how should log levels work? [Was Re: [Logging] default log
> level]
> 
  <snip/>
> 
> <sigh> i'd hoped that i wouldn't have to get into this </sigh>
> 
> i know peter's views on logging pretty well. i think that the only way 
> that we'll ever achieve what we need - a minimal component-oriented 
> logging system - is by ignoring them and going back to first principles.
> 
> i've said before that i'd be very happy to consider your suggestion as a 
> 'second generation commons logging package' but anything with 
> peter's name 
> anywhere near it is too divisive for me to even consider as a first 
> generation solution.

IMHO, ideas and code should talk louder than personal issues.

Besides, Craig used Avalon code for the JSR47 wrapper and all of my
suggestions that were accepted came directly from the Avalon stuff.


Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:remm@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:54 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; Morgan Delagrange
> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> 
> 
> > So that clinches it.  The _initial_ HttpClient abstraction was 
> definitely
> > not informed by Avalon.  In fact, we had already packaged Logging as a
> > separate component by then.  (Hey, I guess I wrote the 
> proposal.  I should
> > add myself as a contributor!)
> >
> > Maybe the Avalon abstraction should have a credit to HttpClient.  ;)
> 
> +1 ;-)
> Although, seeing all this, I'm not sure I want to be involved in any way
> with Avalon ;-)
> 
> Remy
> 
> 
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