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From "Scott Sanders" <ssand...@nextance.com>
Subject RE: [Vote] ARMI to move
Date Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:20:28 GMT
So you will be proposing a change of the process so that we can
'discuss' it and put it to a vote?

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper@tumbleweed.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:24 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de
> Subject: Re: [Vote] ARMI to move
> 
> 
> I agree, the rule needs to be changed. I just counted 24 
> Commons committers. Even if we only count active committers 
> for a vote, the number already seems untenable.
> 
> For the record, I think AltRMI coming to Commons would be "a 
> good thing". I do believe that we should follow the rules we 
> have defined for ourselves, though. So I say we define new 
> criteria for bringing a project to Commons first, and then 
> vote on AltRMI according to the new criteria.
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paulo Gaspar" <paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vote] ARMI to move
> 
> 
> > That should be fixed.
> >
> > Due to its nature, it will soon become impossible to have 
> 3/4 of all 
> > the Commons committers to pay attention to something in the 
> same week!
> >
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Paulo Gaspar
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Sanders [mailto:ssanders@nextance.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:44 PM
> > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: [Vote] ARMI to move
> > >
> > >
> > > According to the wesite, you are correct.  I thought it was 
> > > different.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper@tumbleweed.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:36 AM
> > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vote] ARMI to move
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't think so. The positive super-majority is 
> based on the 
> > > > number of subproject (i.e. Commons) committers, not the 
> number of 
> > > > package (i.e. ARMI, in this case) committers. So basically, it 
> > > > needs 3/4 of all Commons committers to approve. At 
> least, that's 
> > > > how I read it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Cooper
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Sanders" <ssanders@nextance.com>
> > > > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" 
> > > > <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vote] ARMI to move
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It looks like you have the positive super majority.  We should 
> > > > wait a while longer before moving it, so any lingering 
> votes can 
> > > > come out.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper@tumbleweed.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:11 AM
> > > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vote] ARMI to move
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't you need more active committers?
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting question. My initial assumption was that, yes,
> > > > that's what
> > > > > the rules say. However, on checking the Commons charter, it 
> > > > > doesn't actually say how many committers are required for a 
> > > > > package to be accepted (or if it does, I missed it). 
> The Jakarta 
> > > > > rules do, of course. Perhaps this is something we 
> should define?
> > > > >
> > > > > The vote for acceptance, however, is well defined as 
> a positive 
> > > > > super-majority.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin Cooper
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geirm@optonline.net>
> > > > > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List"
> > > > <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vote] ARMI to move
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't you need more active committers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 1/6/02 6:35 PM, "Paul Hammant" <Paul_Hammant@yahoo.com>

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons-sandbox/armi/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have done a lot of work on ARMI and think it is time
> > > > > for me to ask
> > > > > > > committers to vote for a move of this tool from 'sandbox'
> > > > > in to the
> > > > > > > main CVS tree.  It also needs a rename (ARMI is already
> > > > > used in the
> > > > > > > context of Java by another academic team).  Please do not
> > > > > think of
> > > > > > > this as a full replacement for RMI.  It is merely an
> > > > alternative
> > > > > > > that bizarely might be most useful (to Avalon) entirely
> > > > > inside one
> > > > > > > VM.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With respect to the rename, I think FacadePublisher gives
> > > > > the most
> > > > > > > meaning, but is not snappy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, I guess I have no vote myself as I am only a 
> committer 
> > > > > > > to 'soapbox' but I would be interested to know if know
the
> > > > > outcome of a
> > > > > > > vote from those that do......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two votes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) for ARMI being renamed to FacadePublisher (or other)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) for migrating from 'soapbox' to main CVS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Paul H
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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