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From Ted Husted <hus...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Torque learning curve WAS: RE: Jakarta Persistence Framework?
Date Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:43:29 GMT
Perhaps you might consider starting a top-level Torque sub-project
sooner than later, in the hope of attracting volunteers from outside the
Turbine community, who could help broaden the package. 

-Ted.


Jason van Zyl wrote:
> 
> On 1/2/02 1:49 PM, "Ted Husted" <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Martin Poeschl wrote:
> >>
> >> i send a copy to the turbine list, so we can discuss on the right list ;-)
> >>
> >
> > If the Torque dependancies on Turbine have been removed, perhaps its
> > time to consider transferring Torque et al to the Commons -- then this
> > would be the right list ;-)
> 
> Possibly, IMO Torque still has some issues that need to be worked out before
> widespread use. Pluggable connection pools, some very strange initialization
> patterns have to be removed, and the collection of single RDB's peculiar
> features into one location as they are in a couple now. I also have some
> serious problems with it's mode of usage, Torque primarily being a
> datamodel-centric tool as opposed a persistence layer for an object model.
> Right now the object model produced is really a thin veneer over top the
> datamodel (an object produced for each table) which can certainly work in a
> lot of cases but I don't think that's anywhere close to being usable in many
> real world situations.
> 
> I also feel that Torque is a little out of scope for a commons package and
> the general feeling within the Turbine group is that Torque should
> eventually become its own project when it leaves the Turbine fold.
> 
> > As mentioned, I would be happy to help with the packaging and additional
> > documentation, especially if it were distributed through the Commons.
> >
> >
> > -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA.
> > -- Building Java web applications with Struts.
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> >
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