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From "Morgan Delagrange" <mdela...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
Date Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:18:11 GMT
Wow, my name's on that too!  I'm famous!  ;)

It seems likely that the Avalon wrapper was also inspired by those
discussions way back when.  We all went off, did our thing, then we
regrouped at the end.  To me, this is a positive thing.  Perhaps if we had
all just acquiesced to a single approach, it wouldn't have turned out as
well.  Ceki gives the Commons credit, we give Avalon and Log4J credit, once
Avalon gives us a credit the circle will be complete.  [MUSIC SWELLS, FADE
TO BLACK.]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paulo Gaspar" <paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release


> Correct. Ceki even wrote a proposal for Log4J that is quite
> similar to the interface used by the Avalon wrapper:
>   http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/proposal.html
>
> I also mentioned this one before.
>
> Have fun,
> Paulo Gaspar
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:mdelagra@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:18 PM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> >
> >
> > I believe so.  I remember discussing the idea of the abstraction layer
> > before Rod wrote it, and Avalon never came up.  Of course, I
> > don't claim to
> > have a perfect memory.  ;)
> > org/apache/commons/httpclient/log/Log.java is 5
> > months, 4 weeks old, while
> > org/apache/avalon/framework/logger/Logger.java is
> > 2 months, 4 weeks old, if that is any indication (which it may not be,
who
> > knows).
> >
> > It doesn't really matter IMO.  Clearly people who knew Avalon
> > were involved
> > with the discussions over the past few months, as were people
> > familiar with
> > Log4J.  I remember Ceki was a very active participant in the early
> > discussions.  There should be some mention of both projects as
> > influences to
> > the final product, although the basic approach may not originate from
> > either.
> >
> > - Morgan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Sanders" <ssanders@nextance.com>
> > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that httpclient originated the code without influence
> > from avalon?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:mdelagra@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:05 PM
> > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm fairly sure that the Log and LogSource orginated with
> > > HttpClient.  We wanted to be able to perform logging, but
> > > some were uncomfortable with a runtime dependency on Log4J;
> > > this was the compromise.  Craig's assertion that the original
> > > contribution was influenced by Log4J is fair IMO.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Sanders" <ssanders@nextance.com>
> > > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> > >
> > >
> > > I am still trying to track down where the first Log and
> > > LogSource came from.  I tracked it back to httpclient, and I
> > > am looking further.  Rod, can you tell me where the Log and
> > > LogSource originated from in httpclient?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@apache.org]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:47 AM
> > > > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > > > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Sanders wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am happy to do this.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I did not start the logging component, so can you
> > > > point me to
> > > > > the proper viewcvs page for the avalon impl?
> > > > >
> > > > > I will start to look at the origin of the logging component.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/api/index.html
> > >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/api/org/apache/avalon/framework/logger/
> > package-summary.html
> >
> > The pieces in question are:
> >
> > org.apache.avalon.logger.Logger org.apache.avalon.logger.LogKitLogger
> > org.apache.avalon.logger.Log4JLogger
> > org.apache.avalon.logger.Jdk14Logger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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