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From Andreas Kuehne <>
Subject Re: Lowering in amount of users' posts?
Date Sun, 18 Apr 2010 13:40:24 GMT

for me it's also true :
Didn't see any real need to got to 2.2. or beyond ! 2.1 does anything for me, huge apps with
heavy load as well as quick solutions. 

To the major problem of cocoon is : It's ready ! No burning needs for new functionality, no
major tasks on the todo list. Fiddeling with another base framework ( spring instead of avalon
) or build tool ( maven vs. ant ) doesn't make any user more happy.

I can do what I need any van even impress competitors with speed and performance. Maintainance
mode or not, I'm happy with it ! 



From: Stavros Kounis <>
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 1:12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Lowering in amount of users' posts?


i totally agree with Bart. I'm away from Cocoon since 2.1.11. Cocoon 2.2 required from me

a new learning curve. Since then i have moved to other technologies. For small sized web 
applications Cocoon forms are replaced by GWT. 

Of course i'm missing CForms and its powerful javascript as controller but now i have 
an IDE (eclipse with gwt-plugins) to work in.

It's was more easy for me to adapt GWT than Cocoon 2.2.

In any case i don't compare GWT with Cocoon. I still monitor cocoon's lists 
and i have always in my mind to find time to dig into C2.2 or/and C3.


On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Bart Remmerie <> wrote:

Considering myself a 'normal' user (not developing cocoon), i lost
>>track after 2.1.11 .  I had the feeling that, when 2.2 came, cocoon
>>became a framework for cocoon-developers, not cocoon users.  Suddenly
>>you had to learn maven, the documentation became even worse, ...  It
>>was my personal feeling that a smaller and smaller incrowd stopped
>>listening to a broader user base, lost touch and lost popularity.
>>Maybe you should try to find out if there's a link between the amount
>>of messages, cocoon versions, topics discussed and users/developers
>>involved ?
>>2010/4/17, Derek Hohls <>:
>> I think many of "us" have moved on.  Cocoon changed into a direction that
>>> did not fit our style of working, and the rest of the world came up with new
>>> ideas and approaches that did.  I wrote my take on this here:
>>> and if you look around, others have commented in the mailing lists and blogs
>>> too.
>>> Of course, if Cocoon seems the best "fit" for your needs, please use it -
>>> conversely, please don't rush off directly to start using "Rails" just
>>> because its "cool".
>>> My 2c
>>> Derek
>>>>> Daniel Smith  04/17/10 4:42 PM >>>
>> Hi all.
>>> First post here.
>>> I was looking at the amounts of posts to the cocoon users list, and I
>>> see a serious degradation in the amount of posts in recent years.
>>> Can anyone point me to why there seems to be a lack of interest in cocoon?
>>> Just wondering. I can remember when it was the happening thing...
>>> Thanks so much for any info.
>>> Daniel
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