Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 39975 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 15:36:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 15:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 918 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2005 15:36:13 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-users-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 867 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2005 15:36:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: users@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list users@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 847 invoked by uid 99); 30 Aug 2005 15:36:13 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:36:13 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [195.130.132.57] (HELO apate.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.57) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:36:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apate.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 6478838073 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (d5152B1F3.access.telenet.be [81.82.177.243]) by apate.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04DB380EE for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:36:01 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <4313B8C3.2000501@notremanou.net> References: <9eea368911ba2710e21e9d89fce45f8f@implements.be> <2a9f8960bc829750e95a2587afecfcff@implements.be> <4313B8C3.2000501@notremanou.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-24--1067412003 Message-Id: <61438ba06d70c0f287be426603062de9@implements.be> From: Yves Vindevogel Subject: Re: Cocoon and OpenLaszlo Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:35:59 +0200 To: users@cocoon.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-24--1067412003 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--1067412003 --Apple-Mail-25--1067412003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed That is what I would use it for, to create a last transformer in my =20 pipeline to create the rich content and then send it to the client in a =20= simple html serializer On 30 Aug 2005, at 03:39, Marc Salvetti wrote: > Hello, > > I see it also like that, cocoon is a MVC framework that handles easily = =20 > multiples V, why not using lazlo for at least one of the views of the =20= > webapp ? > > Marc > > Yves Vindevogel a =E9crit : > >> Your 2 cents are worth a dollar (or a euro) >> >> Well, that's also how I see it. Cocoon is far better than Laszlo in =20= >> the base xml stuff, like data access, authentication, ... >> Laszlo is very nice for GUI, which Cocoon is totally not. It would be = =20 >> nice to have a pipeline that uses Laszlo as the final step for the =20= >> GUI. >> >> On 29 Aug 2005, at 20:38, Sebastien Arbogast wrote: >> >> 2005/8/29, Yves Vindevogel : >> >> Hi, >> >> I read a pretty interesting article on OpenLaszlo, which uses >> similar >> techniques to Cocoon for presenting web content. >> >> Has anybody done any interaction with it ? >> Is there any project that is similar to OpenLaszlo in the =20 >> Apache >> foundation ? I'm looking for a RIA (Rich Internet = Application) >> environment. >> >> www.openlaszlo.org >> >> >> OpenLaszlo is indeed a very interesting thing but after having =20= >> read >> through the whole documentation, I don't see it in the same field = =20 >> as >> Cocoon. As you said the main aspect of OpenLaszlo is interface >> through >> RIA access. In a sense it's kind of a pure presentation layer, >> without >> any implementation of MVC. On the other end, the main advantage = of >> Cocoon is multichannel processing through XML transformations, = and >> very strict implementation of MVC. The only common point I see >> between >> Cocoon and Laszlo is some sort of GUI framework but in Cocoon, =20= >> CForms >> are still very limited compared to what you can do with Laszlo, =20= >> and >> even if there have been recent works to integrate AJAX in Cocoon, >> it's >> still far from it. >> IMO Cocoon and Laszlo work in the same layer in the application >> architecture, but don't do the same thing. At best they overlap a >> little bit. But I see more resemblance with Struts or Spring MVC, >> than >> with Laszlo. >> >> Just my two cents... >> >> -- S=E9bastien Arbogast >> Blog : http://www.sebastien-arbogast.com >> The Epseelon Project : http://www.epseelon.org >> >> =20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@cocoon.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@cocoon.apache.org >> >> >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> Bien =E0 vous, >> Kind regards, >> >> *Yves Vindevogel* >> *Implements* >> >> >> >> Mail: yves.vindevogel@implements.be - Mobile: +32 (478) 80 82 91 >> >> Kempische Steenweg 206 - 3500 Hasselt - Tel-Fax: +32 (11) 43 55 76 >> >> Web: http://www.implements.be >> / >> First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. =20= >> Then you win. >> Mahatma Ghandi./ >> >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> -- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@cocoon.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@cocoon.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@cocoon.apache.org > > > Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien =E0 vous, Kind regards, Yves Vindevogel Implements --Apple-Mail-25--1067412003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 That is what I would use it for, to create a last transformer in my pipeline to create the rich content and then send it to the client in a simple html serializer On 30 Aug 2005, at 03:39, Marc Salvetti wrote: Hello, I see it also like that, cocoon is a MVC framework that handles easily multiples V, why not using lazlo for at least one of the views of the webapp ? Marc Yves Vindevogel a =E9crit : Your 2 cents are worth a dollar (or a euro) Well, that's also how I see it. Cocoon is far better than Laszlo in the base xml stuff, like data access, authentication, ... Laszlo is very nice for GUI, which Cocoon is totally not. It would be nice to have a pipeline that uses Laszlo as the final step for the GUI. On 29 Aug 2005, at 20:38, Sebastien Arbogast wrote: 2005/8/29, Yves Vindevogel <: Hi, I read a pretty interesting article on OpenLaszlo, which uses similar techniques to Cocoon for presenting web content. Has anybody done any interaction with it ? Is there any project that is similar to OpenLaszlo in the Apache foundation ? I'm looking for a RIA (Rich Internet Application) environment. www.openlaszlo.org OpenLaszlo is indeed a very interesting thing but after having read through the whole documentation, I don't see it in the same field as Cocoon. As you said the main aspect of OpenLaszlo is interface through RIA access. In a sense it's kind of a pure presentation layer, without any implementation of MVC. On the other end, the main advantage of Cocoon is multichannel processing through XML transformations, and very strict implementation of MVC. The only common point I see between Cocoon and Laszlo is some sort of GUI framework but in Cocoon, CForms are still very limited compared to what you can do with Laszlo, and even if there have been recent works to integrate AJAX in Cocoon, it's still far from it. IMO Cocoon and Laszlo work in the same layer in the application architecture, but don't do the same thing. At best they overlap a little bit. But I see more resemblance with Struts or Spring MVC, than with Laszlo. Just my two cents... -- S=E9bastien Arbogast Blog : http://www.sebastien-arbogast.com The Epseelon Project : http://www.epseelon.org =20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@cocoon.apache.org Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien =E0 vous, Kind regards, *Yves Vindevogel* *Implements* Mail: yves.vindevogel@implements.be - Mobile: +32 (478) 80 82 91 Kempische Steenweg 206 - 3500 Hasselt - Tel-Fax: +32 (11) 43 55 76 Web: http://www.implements.be / First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. 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