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From Yves Vindevogel <yves.vindevo...@implements.be>
Subject Re: Cocoon and OpenLaszlo
Date Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:35:59 GMT
That is what I would use it for, to create a last transformer in my  
pipeline to create the rich content and then send it to the client in a  
simple html serializer

On 30 Aug 2005, at 03:39, Marc Salvetti wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I see it also like that, cocoon is a MVC framework that handles easily  
> multiples V, why not using lazlo for at least one of the views of the  
> webapp ?
>
> Marc
>
> Yves Vindevogel a écrit :
>
>> Your 2 cents are worth a dollar (or a euro)
>>
>> Well, that's also how I see it. Cocoon is far better than Laszlo in  
>> the base xml stuff, like data access, authentication, ...
>> Laszlo is very nice for GUI, which Cocoon is totally not. It would be  
>> nice to have a pipeline that uses Laszlo as the final step for the  
>> GUI.
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2005, at 20:38, Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
>>
>>     2005/8/29, Yves Vindevogel <yves.vindevogel@implements.be>:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>         I read a pretty interesting article on OpenLaszlo, which uses
>>         similar
>>         techniques to Cocoon for presenting web content.
>>
>>         Has anybody done any interaction with it ?
>>         Is there any project that is similar to OpenLaszlo in the  
>> Apache
>>         foundation ? I'm looking for a RIA (Rich Internet Application)
>>         environment.
>>
>>         www.openlaszlo.org
>>
>>
>>     OpenLaszlo is indeed a very interesting thing but after having  
>> read
>>     through the whole documentation, I don't see it in the same field  
>> as
>>     Cocoon. As you said the main aspect of OpenLaszlo is interface
>>     through
>>     RIA access. In a sense it's kind of a pure presentation layer,
>>     without
>>     any implementation of MVC. On the other end, the main advantage of
>>     Cocoon is multichannel processing through XML transformations, and
>>     very strict implementation of MVC. The only common point I see
>>     between
>>     Cocoon and Laszlo is some sort of GUI framework but in Cocoon,  
>> CForms
>>     are still very limited compared to what you can do with Laszlo,  
>> and
>>     even if there have been recent works to integrate AJAX in Cocoon,
>>     it's
>>     still far from it.
>>     IMO Cocoon and Laszlo work in the same layer in the application
>>     architecture, but don't do the same thing. At best they overlap a
>>     little bit. But I see more resemblance with Struts or Spring MVC,
>>     than
>>     with Laszlo.
>>
>>     Just my two cents...
>>
>>     --     Sébastien Arbogast
>>     Blog : http://www.sebastien-arbogast.com
>>     The Epseelon Project : http://www.epseelon.org
>>
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>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Bien à vous,
>> Kind regards,
>>
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Met vriendelijke groeten,
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