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From Alexander Schatten <>
Subject Re: Compilation of Cocoon / Binary Distribution / Different Configurations,
Date Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:18:14 GMT
Thank you again for feedback; some comments though:

Upayavira wrote:

> Dependencies between blocks are a relatively new thing - at the moment 
> we've just dealt with it with comments in the file, 
> which is not ideal, but better than not telling anyone at all.

yes, but unfortunately they are far from complete: since the last email 
I already had to restart the build twice because of not marked 
dependencies... this is really extremly awkward.

> You probably perceive a resistance to helping to improve stuff like 
> the build process, or to making binaries available. This, I believe, 
> is because developers would rather concentrate on implementing real 
> blocks, rather than putting effort into the current build process, 
> which was _always_ seen as a temporary measure.

yes, I think you have established that, and I understand it.

However, I have the impression, that the Cocoon developers, which are is 
very obviously a group of excellent developers, sometimes oversees the 
fact, that Cocoon is not longer a hacker tool, but there are thousands 
of "normal" users outside; and when you announce a new release, certain 
basic attributes should exists.

One is, that the build and installation is transparent even to 

I might not be the brightest of all Cocoon users, but you might assume 
that I am at least the "average dummy user", and I report the problems 
and issues, because I love the project; many others simply dump the idea 
to use Cocoon.

>> cant you provide a set of 3-5 files at least, so 
>> that every user can choose from a set of working properties the best 
>> suited for the problem?
> I've watched this, again, and again, and again. No two people can 
> agree on what they need and what they don't. It is simply not possible 
> to identify a few tailored, as there are just so 
> many relevant combinations.

Sorry, to point this out again: this is the usual "guru-problem": not 
agreeing about a solution, because no suggested solution offers 100% 
quality (only 80% at best), and the result is an eternal discussion with 
a "no-solution" that has the quality of 20% (as of now). And 95% of 
Cocoon installations use the "full program" as in the current properties 
file.  This was not intended, I believe.

At this point I have to say:

*please* -- for the sake of the normal user -- take a decision, and put 
3-5 properties files into the release!! They can at least be a guidance 
for the unskilled ones. and the expert can configure as he does it right 

thank you!


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