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From Jeff Turner <>
Subject Re: Semantic linking (Re: Cinclude issues...)
Date Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:51:26 GMT
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:09:21AM -0500, Ben Young wrote:
> Hey Jeff,
> I've got cocoon-2.1 CVS up and running. I'm getting ready to play with
> some of the LinkRewriter stuff. I think the semantic linking will be a
> huge help in certain areas of our site. I'm glad I can continue to use
> the "old" relative linking too.

Actually, "indirect" linking is a better name than "semantic".
Effectively, you're linking to an XPath node in an intermediate doc,
rather than a specific location.

> I'm still trying to figure out the cleanest way to implement all these
> features into the site map. We're at a place in our site development
> where what we do now will affect our predicessors positively or
> negatively for a good time to come.

I suppose KISS is the best approach then.  For a first iteration, it
might be best to forget about site: linking and concentrate on the menus.
It can be added later very easily, and be made to accommodate whatever
XML format you choose.

Here is a diff of the sitemap changes made in Forrest, to use site.xml
for both 'site:' linking and menu (book.xml) generation:

> Since I can't bank that those who come after will be "visionaries" I
> have to try and get things in place that make since and work well "by
> themselves". The less of a learning curve there is the better. I'm sure
> you understand. 8o)

Oo.. one thing to consider when managing big URI spaces: what happens
when they change?  Do the old URLs just break when a page reshuffle is
required?  I have a vague plan on how to solve this (mark obsolete pages
and generate redirects) in Forrest.

> I love the concepts of the semantic web and I want to get as close to it
> as possible. Currently, though, I'm surrounded with a trillion options
> and trying to dig through to what exactly it is that I need to do next
> in order to get there. <aside>It seems to be a long sentence day.
> 8o)</aside>

:) Well sounds like many of the issues are similar to Forrest's.  Feel
free to mail me offlist about specific stuff.


> Thanks for listening to my rant. 8o) I'll probably post some RT's in the
> future about some of what I've been thinking.
> I don't know that there was a "call to action" in any of that, but any
> thoughts you (or anyone else) may have would be *greatly* appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Ben

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