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From "Robert Simmons" <>
Subject Re: A note about the "best(?) (cocoon-) development environment" ...
Date Sat, 08 Feb 2003 19:42:13 GMT
> Hy, all;
> During the last months of activities i learned a lot from this mailing
> list. while i followed the discussions i started getting my development
> environment a bit up to date.  I plan to setup a Wiki page on this
> theme. Although this may be a bit off topic, it still would be great,
> if someone could comment on this issue.
> the tools collection
> --------------------
> Here is what i have put together so far. Of course this is driven
> at least partially by what i do for my customers...
> free tools:
> 1.) OS: linux and solaris (maybe a mater of taste)

Go linux. Instead of spending money on licenses, you spend money on support
contracts. Cheaper. In addition, Solaris is primitive compared to Linux.

> 2.) apache 1.3.26 (mod_jk2, mod_SSL)

Duh ;)

> 3.) tomcat 4.1.18

Yes, but you can go one step further. Get JBoss with integrated tomcat. JBoss
will handle all sorty of nasty things like deploying to clusters for you. As
a bonus, you get the ability to integrate with EJB based programs.

> 4.) cocoon-2.0.4

2.1 Hopefully soon!

> 5.) eclipse

See my previous message about eclopse vs netbeans.

> 6.) sunbow eclipse tools (xml/sitemap)


> 7.) ant

I have 15 million of them in my damn appartment, want a few? Oh ... you mean
Jakarta ant? Ok, nevermind then. =) Im currently looking at Krysalis'
extensions to ant.

> 8.) java-1.3.1 (sun JDK on all platforms)

No no .. 1.4.1!!!!!! In 1.4 there are so many COOOL things that I couldnt
live without anymore.

> 9.) Secureway LDAP Server (i'll switch to Open LDAP soon)

Im an LDAP idiot so Ill trust you there.

Tools you didnt talk  about:

CVS - Use it over clearcase. its powerful, free, and a pleasure to use.
BugZilla - Great program!!!!! Lousy looking interface. We should start a
project to port
                it to cocoon. =) However bugzilla is a great and free
bugtracking system.

> commercial tools:
> 10.) clearcase cms (see below)


> 11.) xml-spy

Good but confusing.

> 12.) several DB-Systems

all you need is Mysql baby.

Ones you didnt talk about:

13) Together control center. If you can afford it, it absolutely kills any
other IDE on the planet.
14) eXcelon Stylus Studio. A great XML editor. It has a bonus of being easy
to use and allot less confusing than XML Spy.
15) User editors for creating static content. (FrameMaker? OpenOffice? Im
still working on this one)
16) Kodo JDO. Dont leave home without it. All that nasty persistence stuff
just goes POOOF.

> notes about the collection
> --------------------------
> * All tools mentioned above fit tightly together.
>    I use apache/tomcat since about three years now.
>    The above combination also works fine with SSL.
> * After i got eclipse setup in tomcat debugging mode,
>    i could at least double my productivity.
>    Thanks to the tomcat site it was a matter of seconds to
>    get it up see:
> * I also managed to setup eclipse with Cocoon in less than 10
>    minutes. OK, i did a lousy trick, but for debugging and
>    learning how cocoon internals  work it's absolutley
>    satisfying...

Shouldnt be tough, just run tomcat (or JBoss) in debug mode with a socket
attach. Then you can remote attach to the socket and you are on your way!

> * about SCM in general and Clearcase in particular:
>    Clearcase is a quite expensive and known to be very slow
>    SCM tool. On the other hand it is super easy to integrate.
>    Due to exposing the data within a "virtual filesystem" you
>    just don't see it from the users viewpoint (except checkin
>    checkout your files).
>    Having the clearcase integration kit for eclipse up and
>    running comes near to a developers dream. I hope, after
>    Rational has been incorporated into IBM, clearcase or a
>    derivate of it will eventually find it's way into the
>    ongoing eclipse efforts to build just another SCM. See
>      follow the link to "stellation" at the bottom of the page.
>    Another interesting new SCM could be subversion from
> ...
>    All of these SCM's provide directory versioning
>    (something once you got it, you'll never want to miss again...)
> * I happen to use XML-Spy since a couple of years now.
>    Maybe i just got used to it. I like it, although i have
>    to pay for the license. At least it helps me getting
>    my XSCHEMA's generated in no time.
> My personal SAXESS story ...
> ----------------------------
> SAXESS stands for "System AXESS", just to get this clear;-)
> I write this down, mainly because i got very very satisfied
> with this especially when i compare this to what i was used
> to in former times when open source was something, nobody
> ever heard of...
> I'm running my webserver on some linux box and my webapps
> on solaris driven by tomcat. All of my code is dropped
> into a company wide  multiplatform SCM system. I'm developing
> with the eclipse IDE right on my Desktop machine. I'm running
> Cocoon for the visualisation part of my projects. This is just
> a great XML publishing tool, and i'm still only using the
> basics of it for now. By saving my work to the SCM,
> my testwebapp gets autodeployed on a solaris box, which
> happens to be our testenvironment. I can setup remote debuggig
> sessions from my desktop directly into the heart of my
> webapplications...
> Once i checked in my work into the SCM, my webapp gets
> autodeployed on linux, which happens to be our website
> server. And i bet, after fiddeling around a bit, i could
> setup a debugging session on my customers site, while sitting
> somewhere at a  beach, quickfix a bug, and then turn back to
> the real life just beeing happy for the rest of the day...
> A personal thank to the Open Source comunity
> --------------------------------------------
> Folks, Thank you very much all you, who have contributed to get
> such a powerfull toolset up and running. I just get very excited
> seeing this developer's dream becoming reality...
> And sad enough i'm not sitting at a beach, but in
> "good ol'e germany" getting to much rain and too
> few sun (solaris is not good for everything...).
> thanks for your attention, if your patience lasted until here ;-)
> regards, Hussayn
> --
> Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
> SAXESS Software Design GmbH
> Neuenhöfer Allee 125
> D-50935 Köln
> tel.:+49 221 56011 0
> fax.:+49 221-56011 20
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