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From "Robert Simmons" <deri...@arcor.de>
Subject Re: Cocoon Competence Center Updates
Date Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:53:13 GMT
My book has nothing to do with cocoon. Its a side issue at best. That's why I was so irritated
about spending 2 weeks on it to draw a blank. Nothing like spending 2 weeks on something you
consider to be trivial to your main line of work. 

-- Robert
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Irving Salisbury 
  To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Cocoon Competence Center Updates


  You know, I have been coding in cocoon for about 2 years now, and have gotten by quite happily
without XSP pages at all.  The bug you are referring to only is a bug with XSP.  Maybe you
can look at cocoon without using XSP pages?  There may be a reason you have to use XSP, but
just wanted to chime in with this.  I prefer to avoid using XSP pages and stick with plain
Java code, mostly using custom actions and transformers.  It has worked well on our projects.
 Sorry about your book.

  Irv

  Robert Simmons wrote:

Is not cocoon's power or anything else that I'm arguing with. There is an
extremely serious bug in cocoon that is causing me to not be able to use it
at all. It is clear that cocoon was developed to be a single solution and to
not integrate with technologies such as application servers. The classloader
issue, http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16580,  would make
it ridiculous for me to do anything in cocoon. If I have to deploy all 100
EJB libs of the company I work for in cocoon as well as in the application
server, than my colleagues would rightly laugh themselves silly. In fact I
cant believe this issue even exists in a product this mature. I am looking at
probably 3 months to get this fixed, minimum, if it is ever fixed. At that
point I will have to wait for a release of the product, as my company would
throw me at the door for putting up a bleeding edge CVS build.

So basically I'm screwed when I comes to my book and when it comes to my
company. Cocoon is pretty much out. I guess I have to throw out 2 weeks of
agonizing work and I dot know how many emails and recode the whole damn thing
in JSP. Lovely.

Well, I suppose it could be worse. I dot see much market for Cocoon
developers anyway.

-- Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous" <dabbous@saxess.com>
To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Cocoon Competence Center Updates


  Hy Robert,

I appreciate your honesty.
I hope, you keep with us. I think you can really help
getting this into the next generation...

just a few of my experiences if you don't mind ...

0.) i use to install minimalistic components when
     i start investigating. in this sense i only
     needed tomcat-4.*.* to start. just installed it
     and ready to go...

1.) When i started working with cocoon i first got
     very very frustrated:
     sitemap not working as i expected
     actions, uhh?
     logicsheets, sounds good, howto???
     and so on ...
     I even did not know, what to ask in detail.

3.) very slowly i got a first overview. i only scratched
     the surface and one day (after about two weeks) i got
     hit by realizing the hidden mightiness of the beast.
     "Hey that's great, this works fine,
      ahh what easy going here and there..."
     Until now i still only was playing with the very
     basics (sitemap, generator, protocol handlers)

4.) After reviewing my first experiences with cocoon i came
     to the conclusions:
     - its very complex
     - it has great oportunities
     - it is "complex documented"
     - it moves fast
     - it neads quality assurance to get mature

My decisions:

     - use cocoon in my own projects
     - help cocoon users to get a clear understanding
       with less frustrations

I'm still happy with cocoon and im still only using the very
basics. I am curious where i can get with XSP and ESQL ;-)

regards, hussayn


Robert Simmons wrote:
    Fine ... I'm beginning to loose interest to be honest. Right now I cant
      do
  anything with XSP with cocoon at all. because of the classpath bug it
      looks
  like two weeks of my work are about to explode in my face. Sigh.

-- Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous" <dabbous@saxess.com>
To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Cocoon Competence Center Updates



      Hy, Robert;

Thank you very much for the contributions.

I propose to move parts of your contrib into another page.

reasons:

1.) this page deals with deploying cocoon. it should not cover
    essentials of cocoon internals. this is the next story to be
    covered, once cocoon is deployed.

2.) i want this document to be for "beginning beginners", (we used
    to name them nebies ;-). Yes we should prepare a doc, that
    contains your hints and tips, but maybe this is an add on
    page ?

if nobody complains, i will move your contribs to another page, but
keep the super esssentials in the doc (and point to the new pages where
relevant)

is that ok for you Robert?

regards, Hussayn

Robert Simmons wrote:

        Greetings, I have added the following information to the cocoon
competence center page on installing cocoon. Please feel free to review
the following sections and smack me around if I said anything incorrect.
The new sections are.

* Deploying on an application server.
* What is essential?

-- Robert

          --
Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
SAXESS Software Design GmbH
Neuenhöfer Allee 125
50935 Köln
Telefon: +49-221-56011-0
Fax:     +49-221-56011-20
E-Mail:  dabbous@saxess.com


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