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From SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous <>
Subject Re: XMLForms vs Struts
Date Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:48:53 GMT

First let me tell you: I like the idea of merging cocoon and struts, 
because i see both technologies to be helpfull also in conjunction...

Omar Tazi wrote:
> If you like the MVC aspect in Struts and like the flexibility provided 
> by XML/XSLT, and don't like the limitations that come with JSPs, check 
> out our Framework. It's called OXF (Open XML Framework). OXF is the 
> result of our combined passion for Cocoon and Struts/J2EE and our 
> involvement in huge enterprise projects. It will dramatically help you 
> in your tasks (listed below). Good luck!

But i am also a bit confused. I'm following the discussons in this 
mailing list for about a week now and this is already the second 
mentioning of a product/component (whatever) that claims to be an 
on top of cocoon development. But when i enter the pages mentioned
above, it is very hard to find the backpointers to cocoon as the 
base component...

Despite that all this stuff sounds very interesting, but i get more 
and more unshure how to proceed. Some questions rise in my mind:

1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside 
    of cocoon ?
2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure 
    to keep up with the releases of cocoon (taking adavantage 
    of the enhancements done there)? 
3.) Why can't i find pointers to these add ons from the cocoon pages ?

There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon for me is one 
of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart but 
is cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled 
add on projects ???

And now my final question (to come back to the technical part):
Why is it so complicated to use struts and cocoon in parallel?
As far as i understand the concepts of cocoon, i can embed JSP's
in it's workflow, and if a jsp itself uses struts, why not???
Although i haven't tried yet, for me these things seem to be 
coexisting without problems ...

Any enlightments on these points are happily welcome...
best regards, Hussayn

Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
SAXESS Software Design GmbH
Neuenhöfer Allee 125
50935 Köln
Telefon: +49-221-56011-0
Fax:     +49-221-56011-20

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