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From "Heath Stewart" <hstew...@esotericrealm.com>
Subject Re: Cocoon or Tomcat with Servlets/Taglibs?
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:38:38 GMT
...not to mention Cocoon loads a lot of libraries I'll never use but that
Cocoon depends on, like Batik, which Java 1.4 can do without.

Heath Stewart
Network Administrator / Web Developer
College of Veterinary Medicine
Iowa State University
http://www.vetmed.iastate.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heath Stewart" <hstewart@esotericrealm.com>
To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Cocoon or Tomcat with Servlets/Taglibs?


> Oh, I agree that XML is great. I've been following it for years and
already
> employ *heavy* XML usage on the ISU College of Veterinary Medicine site I
> designed and implemented, only it uses ASP and ASP.NET. I could never
> afford - nor would I want - an IIS server, so I have Apache/Tomcat to work
> with. I'm just trying to figure out if I should take the time and create a
> huge sitemap with all the functionality I want rooted at a different
> directory so that I can still have my Netscape Roaming profiles app setup,
> all my users home directories that are probably just plain HTML files, and
> all my SSL-enabled sites, as well as my WebCVS. Once I use WebAppDeploy
with
> cocoon as "/", everything else on the site is screwed. I currently have it
> mounted at /c2 , but I'd rather it just work as "/". I've also looked into
> how to use servlets with Cocoon and it isn't pretty, not to mention
> everytime I need to add some basic functionality, I need to restart
cocoon,
> then httpd after tomcat restarts. This is annoying, especially for a
> personal site that is always in development using new technology and
> techniques. For this reason, I'd almost prefer just a plain Java server. I
> could implement my navbars using taglibs instead of XInclude, which would
be
> easier anyway, sort of like how ASP.NET has the <asp:xml> tag to transform
> source according to your will.
>
> Heath Stewart
> Network Administrator / Web Developer
> College of Veterinary Medicine
> Iowa State University
> http://www.vetmed.iastate.edu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas Espeleta" <tomas.espeleta@digival.es>
> To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Cocoon or Tomcat with Servlets/Taglibs?
>
>
> > Interesting question...
> > basically I agree with you... Cocoon is *just* a framework, so its task
is
> > to give you one (or more) way to do things.
> > It oblige you and force to use a strong structure (sitemap, Generators,
> > transformers)...
> >
> > Everything you do with cocoon can be done by servlets...
> > but remember that even servlets are a "evolution" of old cgi-bins
written
> in
> > perl/C...
> >
> > There are a lots of reasons that can make you prefer XML to HTML, Java
to
> > C... Cocoon to self-made-stuff!
> > I think the most important are always the same: speed of development,
> > separation of logic from content, a STANDARD way..... an many more
> reasons.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope Cocoon become soon a more widely supported standard. I
> belive
> > that soon there will be a lot of new configuration tools and a better
> > documentation.
> >
> > - Tomás.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Heath Stewart" <hstewart@esotericrealm.com>
> > To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:05 PM
> > Subject: Cocoon or Tomcat with Servlets/Taglibs?
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to decide whether or not to use Cocoon or just Tomcat (via
> > mod_webapp with Apache/SSL) with Servlets, JSP, and Taglibs. What does
> this
> > list think? I've done stuff with Cocoon, but frankly, it's more
> complicated
> > to map servlets and tag libs which I would use extensively in my site,
not
> > to mention it's easy to build an entire site based on Tomcat with Forte
> for
> > Java, since it's all built in. I can also create taglibs and have an
<xml>
> > tag or something that I would then use Xerces and Xalan to transform the
> > source XML and XSL files, maybe even the FOP library for some kind of
> print
> > servlet. Isn't that basically what Cocoon is doing with the sitemap,
just
> > mapping requests for files (like **.html to **.xml) to a Java class(es)
> > using Xerces and Xalan to transform the source?
> >
> > Heath Stewart
> > Network Administrator / Web Developer
> > College of Veterinary Medicine
> > Iowa State University
> > http://www.vetmed.iastate.edu
> >
> >
> >
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