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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:56:41 +0200
From: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
Organization: Apache Software Foundation
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To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: URL Encoding
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Donald Ball wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Ulrich Mayring wrote:
> 
> > In fact, what I meant was that I think it's cool that people begin to
> > realize there needs to be a standard way to interface between data and
> > logic. The focus here is on STANDARD.
> >
> > When we look at the classic techniques (ASP, ColdFusion, PHP etc.), then
> > we find that logic we write in one system cannot be transferred to
> > another. This problem needs to be solved on several levels. First, there
> > is the programming language level, we have a workable solution here with
> > Java. Then there is the data level, we have a pretty good solution here
> > with XML. And then, finally, there are a number of "dirty" levels like
> > middleware, Application Servers, Web Servers etc. These levels cannot be
> > defined rigorously, every business/organisation has different products
> > and needs. I call this the workflow level - not much work has been done
> > in that area, except perhaps for the invention of buzzwords like EAI.
> > So, coming back to what I thought was cool:
> >
> > If, say, the W3C were to define a standard way to interface between XML
> > and logic (Java, ...), then we really could build taglibs and give them
> > to other people, who don't use cocoon. Perhaps some folks want to use
> > Enhydra or some wicked Perl script - but the add-on work they do is
> > lost. I don't know if this standard interface I am hoping for is
> > something like SOAP or if it is XSLT extensions or perhaps even XSP. I
> > merely claim that work in this area is cool and needed.
> 
> that's a big ol' fatty +1 from me. however, i'm oddly inclined to be
> conservative and say that it's too early still - we need to try things
> like XSP and axkit's xpathscript and xslt extensions and whatever else
> people come up with and see what the pros and cons of the various
> approaches are before jumping into the standardization game.

Amen.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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