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From "kasper" <bjo...@powertech.no>
Subject SV: Shameless Developer Recruiting & new aspects
Date Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:55:14 GMT
Hi,

We have experienced a type of similar response to a serious request to the usergroup where
we are offering a project to be placed in the market based on the technology. As a serious
user of this maillist we made a request to Stefano Mazzocchi at first, that advised us to
post the request to the user list. Unfortunately we have only received one answer to our posting
and that was in terms of getting out of this list with that type of requests, blah blah. 


This attitude could be changed into a more constructive approach with a more constructive
result for both entrepreneurs and developers. I can suggest that we make a new mail list or
a meetingplace  where entrepreneurs, capital and developers can meet to change cocoon tech.
into profitable projects.  

Best regards
HyperKreativ, CBT a.s

Kasper Ilaug


-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
Til: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>; Cocoon Users <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Dato: 3. april 2000 14:36
Emne: Re: Shameless Developer Recruiting


>John Milan wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I did ask Stefano about it first...
>
>yes, I thought this could help us both as a community and as
>individuals... if you have any troubles with these kinds of mail,
>please, let me know. Thank you.
>
>> I'm looking for people who want to develop and use Cocoon in a
>> large-scale (and rapidly getting larger-scale) production environment.
>> We fully expect to be servicing several hundred of the Fortune 1000
>> companies in the coming year. The problems we are facing are exactly the
>> solutions Cocoon provides.
>> 
>> I believe the following is true:
>> 
>> "The Cocoon project aims to change the way web information is created,
>> rendered and served. This new paradigm is based on fact that document
>> content, style and logic are often created by different individuals or
>> working groups. Cocoon aims to a complete separation of the three
>> layers, allowing the three layers to be independently designed, created
>> and managed, reducing management overhead, increasing work reuse and
>> reducing time to market."
>> 
>> and now I want to prove it. I want to make my company the high-profile
>> proving ground. My desire is to build a reference site for the Cocoon
>> publishing framework, much like Amazon has become a reference site for
>> the Apache Web Server. We've just secured $30 million in financing from
>> Benchmark and Goldman Sachs-- we will be high profile.
>
>I've assisted at amazing things: companies with such high profiles
>(you're not the first one, John :) come to me asking if "cocoon is ready
>to prove its ideas".
>
>Well, you know much I evangelize and all that, but you also know that
>Cocoon 1.x could not possibly stand the kind of load that such
>very-high-profile uses require...
>
>but I have to tell you: such companies don't have problems paying 125K$
>for a Vignette StoryServer licence.... and don't have problems running
>clusters of huge Sun machines to run the Oracle Application Server when
>they could spend one tenth using a bunch of PCs + FreeBSD + Apache +
>JServ.
>
>But even if we try hard, even if we can technically prove the excellence
>of our software and solutions compared to commercial ones (Vignette is
>great, but if you think that Cocoon 1.x is a memory hog, well, you
>haven't see alternatives :) John is absolutely right:
>
> we need a killer story!
>
>Apache's killer story are netcraft surveys.
>JServ's killer story is www.starwars.com and JavaWorld Award.
>
>What is Cocoon's killer story? www.eurofootball.com is a great starting
>point (not completely cocoon-based, for what I can tell, but this will
>hopefully change in the future), but think about something like "CNN.com
>powered by Cocoon".
>
>Companies are interested in joining and helping out... and providing a
>killer story is a _great_ resource to this project because allows you
>geeks to go to the other technical people and make their jaws drop...
>but also go to your boss and make his eyes shine with dollars signs :)
>
>I will soon make a list of "Proud to be powered by Cocoon" web sites and
>I'd love to have all your links up there. (contact me directly for
>that).
>
>Thanks and listen to John, he's a great guy!
>
>-- 
>Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
><stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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