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From "John D. Gray" <>
Subject RE: cocoon vs. msxml
Date Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:14:27 GMT

You could save some money by just running Apache on a different port
with JServ and Cocoon, on the same machine as your existing webserver.
You just need to add the port to the URLs in a few of your anchor tags,
and only use absolute URLs in them, e.g., for port 1234
<a href="">

Having to use absolute URLs is a kludge, but these are new tags you will be
writing since you don't yet have an XSLT engine, so there is no porting effort,
and hey, if it saves $500 and you can start today.... :)

"Dan Reese" <> on 01/25/2000 12:43:08 PM

To:   "''" <>
cc:    (bcc: John D. Gray)
Subject:  RE: cocoon vs. msxml

To run Cocoon on IIS, you have to buy a servlet engine (are there any good
free ones that can run on a production web server? I haven't found one if
there are) so you're looking at at least $500.  The MS solution is free.
You have to depend on MS to support standards, which they haven't shown to
be real good at.

As for dynamic content generation, you can generate XML via ASP and keep
your presentation separate from data and logic.  If your development team is
already working with ASP it can be a nice stepping stone.  It's not nearly
as powerful as Java IMHO but it does do the job.  It also doesn't have
anything nearly as powerful as FOP.

I'm not a MS fan, in fact I really dislike most of their tactics and
software.  However, I am using the MSXML support from IE5 with IIS as a
stepping stone to using Cocoon in a production environment.  I am trying to
show management what can be done with XML/XSL and then getting them to bite
on a servlet engine for Cocoon.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Steven Maring []
> Sent:   Monday, January 24, 2000 8:14 AM
> To:     ''
> Subject:     RE: cocoon vs. msxml
> Hmm.  Let's see.  How does M$ provide for dynamic content generation in
> such
> a way as to keep data, logic, and presentation completely seperate?  Can
> you
> run it on UNIX?  And BUDGET?  How do you budget for ZERO cost?
> -Steve M.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Zabin []
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:56 AM
> To:
> Subject: cocoon vs. msxml
> I have managed to get cocoon up and working and am enjoying experimenting
> with it. I have not however yet discovered what makes it so unique. I have
> done other projects using the Microsoft XML parser on IIS. I haven't found
> anything that Cocoon does that cannot be done just as easily with MSXML.
> Basically, it seems like Cocoon provides a convenient way to transform XML
> with XSL and feed HTML to the client, or to check which type of client one
> is dealing with and then to serve XML or transform appropriately. I
> haven't
> noticed a significant performance difference.
> I would like to pursue Cocoon and convince my boss that we should budget
> an
> internal project using Cocoon. Can anyone help me be convincing?
> Hal
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