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Subject: Re: Website management [WAS Re: resurrect the Cocoon documentation]
From: Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org>
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+1 for option #2, I like keeping the doc under control and in a format
can be deployed wherever :)

For that purpose, I just launched the VOTE thread for the Thien Skin 1.0.1.

Thanks for leading this, all the best!
-Simo

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2012/3/16 Francesco Chicchiricc=C3=B2 <ilgrosso@apache.org>:
> Hi all,
> yesterday, while looking at cocoon.zones.apache.org, I've spent some time=
 at
> our website, and the e-mail below came into my mind.
>
> I believe we should act in this respect as soon as possible, since our
> outdated website is all but attractive and informative: think only that
> every page reports "Errors and Improvements? If you see any errors or
> potential improvements in this document please help us: View, Edit or
> comment on the latest development version (registration required)." point=
ing
> to a non-existing Daisy instance.
>
> Taking the attached e-mail into account, I think we should choose whether=
:
>
> 1. try to resurrect a Daisy instance in our jail - with Betrand's help /
> manage somehow 2.1 docs with forrest;
>
> 2. use Cocoon to parse existing HTML files (for C2.2 and C2.1) and genera=
te
> a bunch of xdoc/apt files that will serve as a basis for managing a whole
> maven / svnsubpub based website (like as we're currently doing for C3);
>
> 3. use Apache CMS and try to import all existing documentation (including
> C3's, in this case) - as suggested by David in the e-mail below;
>
> I am for (2) and can spend some time for this, with some other volunteer,=
 of
> course ;-)
>
> WDYT?
> Regards.
>
> On 16/01/2012 14:21, David Crossley wrote:
>>
>> TL;DNR
>> Use the Apache CMS for at least our top-level docs
>> and the stalled 2.1 and 2.2 docs.
>>
>>
>> However, i cannot actually do this work, just explain and guide.
>>
>> I have done some background research to try to gather the
>> various past threads and docs. Perhaps this will help us to
>> bring the Cocoon documentation back to life.
>>
>> In the past we had the sources for the docs in xml format
>> and then processed by Apache Forrest to generate the html pages.
>>
>> A few years ago we moved to using the Daisy CMS to store/edit
>> all content for 2.1 and 2.2 versions, as well as the top-level
>> project non-version-specific stuff.
>>
>> For Cocoon-2.2, and the top-level stuff, the Maven site plugin
>> extracted the content from Daisy and generated the html pages. [4]
>>
>> For Cocoon-2.1, the Forrest plugin "Daisy input plugin" extracted
>> the content from Daisy and generated the html pages. [5]
>>
>> For Cocoon-3, the source content is stored in xml files
>> and the Maven site plugin generates the html pages.
>>
>> All generated html was (and still is) committed to the
>> Cocoon "site" SVN [1].
>>
>> Then 'svn up' on the people.apache.org machine does the
>> publishing step. (Later that step could move to using svnpubsub.)
>>
>> The Daisy server operated on our Zones machine cocoon.zones.apache.org
>> (which also housed the demonstrations for Cocoon 2.1 and 2.2).
>> The Zones server is managed by the Cocoon project. See [2].
>>
>> However, the machine that provided the zones for a set of
>> projects needed to be upgraded. The Cocoon project did not
>> move our services in time.
>> IIRC we do now have a "freebsd jail" which is basically configured,
>> but not yet re-installed Daisy or Cocoon demo examples,
>> nor the web server.
>> IIRC we did get a backup of the Daisy data [3] if that helps.
>>
>> The Forrest forrestbot neededi to be turned off, as it could not
>> access the source content for the 2.1 documentation.
>>
>> For the 2.2 documentation, i presume that Maven also has troubles.
>>
>> So unless someone can re-instate the new cocoon.zones.apache.org
>> and the Daisy server, then we need some other solution.
>>
>> Suggestion to use the Apache CMS:
>>
>> One other solution would be to use the new Apache CMS. [7]
>>
>> It can have source content in either Markdown format
>> or in HTML format and perhaps others.
>>
>> To resurrect the content, we might be able to use the
>> last published "generated" set of html documents, strip off
>> the outer headers and menu stuff, replace with basic header,
>> and use that set of content to seed the CMS.
>>
>> --------------------
>> (Some of these resources are only available to Cocoon PMC members.)
>>
>> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/site/site/
>>
>> [2]
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/cocoon/cocoon.zones.apache.org/
>>
>> [3] Search the PMC archive for various email from Bertrand
>>
>> [4] http://cocoon.apache.org/1418_1_1.html
>> How to publish docs to cocoon.apache.org
>> (i.e. for Cocoon-2.2 and the top-level of c.a.o)
>>
>> [5] http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/CocoonWebsiteUpdate
>> How to publish Cocoon-2.1 docs
>>
>> [7] Apache CMS
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html
>
> --
> Francesco Chicchiricc=C3=B2
>
> Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
>