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From Simone Tripodi <>
Subject Re: Piwi to join the ASF?
Date Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:52:09 GMT
Hi guys,
OTOH I personally would have be pleased on supporting this kind of
initiative, I like the idea of giving PHP users a Cocoon experience!
Disclaimer: I have PHP basics, but no deep knowledge about FWs, so
apologize in advance if it wouldn't fit in that area.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Thorsten Scherler <> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 13:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> we, the maintainers of the Piwi Framework are currently discussing if
>> we move to the ASF.
>> Piwi is an xml/xslt transformation framework in PHP. The reason I
>> write to this list is because Piwi has stolen many things from Cocoon
>> :-) We are speaking of Generators, Pipelines, Transformers,
>> Serializers etc. As you can imagine, Piwi is some kind of PHP
>> implementation of Cocoon. Due to the different nature of PHP we differ
>> on various places from Cocoon. But after all you can say, if you
>> manage to work with Cocoon, you have a good chance to understand Piwi
>> very quickly.
>> Therefore it might make sense to run Piwi as some kind of Cocoon subproject.
>> Piwis goal is to create web applications quickly (as so many frameworks).
>> One of the problems we currently are facing is community. Piwi has
>> only a small community, users know each one face to face. There are
>> many strong frameworks out there, like the Zend MVC. This might be a
>> problem Zeta Components is facing too (another ASF project).
>> Now I am an ASF committer and member, working on various projects
>> (including the incubator). For me it makes perfect sense to move the
>> project to the incubator and start building up a community. Other
>> projects like Zeta Components and log4php might benefit from it.
>> Anyway, to make this happen we need help. We are only two guys and
>> therefore we are looking for other Apache Committers who are
>> interested in stepping up as initial committers, mentors, champion.
>> Please shout, if you are interested or let me know what you think abou it
>> Cheers,Christian
> Hi Christian,
> I can remember and
> especially Davids answer
> ATM IMO substitute forrest with cocoon and you would have an answer.
> Do not get me wrong but I am not sure whether similarity in concepts
> justify being subproject of cocoon. Regarding the community I do not
> think that being subproject of cocoon would help with that neither.
> salu2
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