Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 92319 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 15:21:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 15:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 95004 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2008 15:21:51 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 94758 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2008 15:21:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 94747 invoked by uid 99); 24 Sep 2008 15:21:50 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:21:50 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of peter.hunsberger@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.12 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.217.12] (HELO mail-gx0-f12.google.com) (209.85.217.12) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:20:51 +0000 Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so5916215gxk.18 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OkGoIQ3tQBHhe0pOBPF4l7oSyiMqzzAYVi41bhyxu+k=; b=ek0B+k0++NoD/jbz4hsZZdYcSwuWlTZy5GH3Y08b/BLZ1Tz5JPdVLnTibwLW6k9kuB F1z/dXUDB4hWKcqN3XT5UL4AbK7nZ5kwm9dxRwW/erxTEybw7k7BhpH0U9FP9mmtJxMK Nv7xkvtoB6n/mjW0ac7vOtZVJF0AWw1KALCc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NY50KOZxiuItz4F9BqytzYKC++P9KJ2MmRLzX7bwJjyvWAlxK0BhKwwYg/nEdS5zrG 4LpmPOwIdsoGm6ovDHIgQ9ng7aq+Qht0Wjd7774rc1NHR3+2sjzaSwP6H7WiWUYTTm6Z TDzyOseBm0+tst/EKRy9pfQNYiojI8PS4mfLU= Received: by 10.151.143.14 with SMTP id v14mr11211660ybn.108.1222269624652; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.8.4 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:20:24 -0500 From: "Peter Hunsberger" To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: New Spring Maintenance policy In-Reply-To: <48DA584E.8050806@agssa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48D7ED61.1020109@agssa.net> <48DA584E.8050806@agssa.net> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Antonio Gallardo wrote: > Hi, > > There is a worst case scenario now: What if they don't collect enough > money from subscriptions and do the next step: remove the 3 months > window or worse go full closed source? > > I think changing the rules is not fair at all. That should rings our > bells. Most important, our own user base will suffer. Any of our user > now have to have in the pocket 16k yearly in order to deploy a cocoon > 2.2 based application. That does not sounds good at all. > > There are many ways to describe the spirit of the apache community, but > there is one that I like more than all the others: 'we care about people > more than we care about code'. We have to do something. > I'm not convinced that anything needs to be done at the moment. I don't like what they've done but I also don't think they are stupid, they are not going to piss off their entire user base. I'd suggest we simply continue to watch what happens for the next three months (at least) before we conclude that any action is necessary. If at that point we see real problems it won't be "too late", we should still have a stable base that can continue to work for another 6 months or so. At this point maybe the best thing to do is scope out possible directions to head if this does indeed turn out to be an issue? -- Peter Hunsberger