From dev-return-100559-apmail-cocoon-dev-archive=cocoon.apache.org@cocoon.apache.org Wed Sep 24 23:00:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 62693 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 23:00:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 23:00:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 44392 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2008 23:00:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 44323 invoked by uid 500); 24 Sep 2008 23:00:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 44311 invoked by uid 99); 24 Sep 2008 23:00:32 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:00:32 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of joerg.heinicke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) Received: from [213.165.64.20] (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:59:32 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Sep 2008 22:59:03 -0000 Received: from stgt-5d849ab8.pool.einsundeins.de (EHLO [192.168.178.20]) [93.132.154.184] by mail.gmx.net (mp064) with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:59:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3483660 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18diFYxwrAdHGHU83ds4NzNSP8PI3cBssfcAyjTx5 7CjT6bbrTLBZav Message-ID: <48DAC637.5020503@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:59:03 +0200 From: Joerg Heinicke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080703 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: New Spring Maintenance policy References: <48D7ED61.1020109@agssa.net> <48DA584E.8050806@agssa.net> In-Reply-To: <48DA584E.8050806@agssa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 24.09.2008 17:10, Antonio Gallardo wrote: > There is a worst case scenario now: What if they don't collect enough > money from subscriptions and do the next step: remove the 3 months > window or worse go full closed source? Spring is released with Apache 2 license so we are free to grab and host a fork if it will be necessary. > I think changing the rules is not fair at all. That should rings our > bells. Most important, our own user base will suffer. Any of our user > now have to have in the pocket 16k yearly in order to deploy a cocoon > 2.2 based application. That does not sounds good at all. Of course it's a Bad Thing, but they are free to do so and we have to live with it. As it looks now it's gonna be alright. > There are many ways to describe the spirit of the apache community, but > there is one that I like more than all the others: 'we care about people > more than we care about code'. We have to do something. No idea how the one relates to the other :) But I oppose immediate actions. I wrote I really wonder if they are gonna keep up the policy in the state it is right now. And even if there is no reason for immediate actions since it still "works". We just have to go from one major release to the next one (which is actually minor) without a lots of intermediate patch releases. Joerg