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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject Re: New Spring Maintenance policy
Date Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:19:29 GMT
Leszek Gawron wrote:
> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>> Joerg Heinicke wrote:
>>> On 24.09.2008 00:00, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>>> Yeah. I read this as "3 months after release n+1 is out, release n 
>>>> becomes closed source". I'm wondering how long it will take for 
>>>> forks to appear that will provide open source bug fixes to old 
>>>> releases.
>>> I don't think that's n+1 but n: "After a new major version of Spring 
>>> is released, community maintenance updates will be issued for three 
>>> months to address initial stability issues." They wouldn't talk 
>>> about "initial stability issues" anymore if it were n+1.
>> Wow, that's even worse...
> That move is probably plain stupid. Rod Johnson states that the full 
> source tree will still be available - there will be simply no public 
> releases after 3 months and no svn tags to build that release 
> yourself. You will only be able to build snapshots (better said 
> internal releases) to address the issues you encounter.
> Yet again: plain stupid. Every open source project will have to track 
> it's spring version by its own. How will the project be able to report 
> issues if 99% of the world will be using snapshots?
> "My spring version r144554 shows some problem"? Clearly this is very 
> short sighted.

There's an easy way the OSS community can react to that: create an website that will provide "official open source 
maintenance releases" from well-known revisions of the SpringSource SCM.

That way, people will be able to use e.g. "openspring 2.4.8" which will 
actually be springsource r144554

> It is even more insulting to the comunity stating that it is too 
> costly for SpringSource to do 'mvn deploy' from time to time. It's 
> just a marketing version of "Buy a damn subscription!".
> There's an quick and easy way to force users to subscription: just 
> make major releases less frequent.
> If you haven't read on TSS: Although the prices are not publicly known 
> someone stated that yearly subscription is something about $16 000...

Ouch. Spring was born as a lightweight and open source alternative to 
big and costly J2EE containers. It's now as big and costly (and as 
bloated?) as a J2EE container...


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