Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 83081 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 07:32:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 07:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 82462 invoked by uid 500); 3 Apr 2008 07:32:44 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 82323 invoked by uid 500); 3 Apr 2008 07:32:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 82312 invoked by uid 99); 3 Apr 2008 07:32:43 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:32:43 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [212.247.154.72] (HELO swip.net) (212.247.154.72) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:31:52 +0000 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from aum-mac-weitling.unibe.ch (account cxu-8cd-hm6@tele2.ch [130.92.30.169] verified) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTPA id 885811724 for dev@cocoon.apache.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:32:12 +0200 Message-ID: <47F487FC.8090104@weitling.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:32:12 +0200 From: Dev at weitling User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: [vote] Release Cocoon 2.2-final References: <47F3A7FF.7000503@apache.org> <47F478EC.1050604@apache.org> <47F4799B.10400@apache.org> <47F47F06.4080002@weitling.net> <47F48376.2000707@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <47F48376.2000707@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Carsten Ziegeler wrote: > Dev at weitling wrote: >> >> Sorry, I can't agree. Cocoon still has the same fault as many >> open-source products: A lack of documentation. >> I don't know if GSoC is for docs, too, but it is really, really >> necessary to improve docs. >> It's still the same Catch-22: To write docs you need to understand >> the developed, to understand the developed you need the docs, ... >> Writing docs does belong to development, even when it seems to be at >> a kindergarden level for newbies! >> > I think we all agree that we need docs (or more/better docs), > absolutely no doubt. And I think we also agree that writing docs is > one task of the development process, and it's an important task. > > But we can't force anyone to write docs; and delaying a release > because of lacking documentation is not producing the desired effect: > instead of getting docs this way, nothing is usually happening: no > docs and no release. > I don't say that I'm happy about this. Despite my sometimes dumb question here on the list I know Cocoon is really cool and still improving. But without good docs the developers and the users separate more and more. There are many people who want to contribute to Cocoon, but most of them do only have spare time and are not paid by a company with interest in Cocoon. For them it's really hard to dig trough the docs to understand things before they can even think of contributing code. Why not introduce documentation releases? BTW: If I could meet some of you wizards and get an indoctrination I could/would improve docs. Florian