Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 8851 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 07:16:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 07:16:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 89243 invoked by uid 500); 16 Aug 2006 07:16:49 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 89177 invoked by uid 500); 16 Aug 2006 07:16:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 89165 invoked by uid 99); 16 Aug 2006 07:16:49 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:16:49 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of tcurdt@gmail.com designates 64.233.182.186 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.182.186] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.186) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:16:48 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g2so571854nfe for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:16:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nYxNhUTNgPFdXxXLpoBvyVnlSkllyMwJI9frN6Mc/dO+1rQJR+i5ppWfwCd+jadp8KvZRn+i4s4JtjXHchyFyFE70iV8ARghrBVG+Nd3croYHaP7OyoYkiHlNCX/r5jjT3+Kfr4Jk2aPpbXHut+v5LRHfHjr5Abt02BJYAKaZx0= Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr324044nfj; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.178.14 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <98e4f1cd0608160016w387a07b0ue78e491081598e7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:26 +1000 From: "Torsten Curdt" Sender: tcurdt@gmail.com To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Re: [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement In-Reply-To: <44E2BE04.9000405@dslextreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E0DAD0.6070509@nada.kth.se> <44E1DF1D.80709@dslextreme.com> <44E2BE04.9000405@dslextreme.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 44b054c4b411a6d8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > If one does not view a veto as valid then one has to challenge it. To > > do otherwise would not be taking your position as a committer > > seriously. > His veto was challenged. A reason was stated. Now if the reason for > the veto was "the moon is not in alignment with the stars" it would be > reasonable to state that the reason isn't valid. But the reason given > was nothing of the kind. That doesn't mean you can't try to convince > him to change his mind using the two paragraphs that followed. But the > implication of the statement is that you don't recognize his -1 as being > valid, when in fact it is. You simply don't agree with it. I think you are simplifying this situation a bit... Let's say I am working for company "A". Company "A" has a policy to only use reaaaaally stable and proven software. "Don't change if you don't have to". Basically they are still using JDK 1.3. I am a PMC member of an OS project the company is using. Now is the non-upgrade policy of that company "A" a valid reason for the individual PMC member to veto the upgrade of the JDK requirement for the OS project? ...now I am curious cheers -- Torsten