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From Reinhard Poetz <>
Subject Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement
Date Wed, 16 Aug 2006 05:26:50 GMT
Jason Johnston wrote:
> Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>> On 8/15/06, Reinhard Poetz <> wrote:
>>> If I interpret our voting rules correctly, the proposal has been 
>>> rejected
>>> because of the -1 vote.
>> I disagree.  Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2
>> needs to run on any of these older platforms.  In order for a veto to
>> be considered valid it must be based on a real problem.
> While I'm not personally interested in trying at this point to overturn 
> his veto, I am interested (and I think the community needs to know) what 
> Joerg's criteria for approving an eventual move to 1.5 would need to be, 
> in some measurable way.  I'm sure he would agree that at some point in 
> the future moving to 1.5+ will be appropriate, but how will we know when 
> that time has come?
> So far I've seen the following rationales (please add any I missed):
> * Spring supports 1.3, we're both frameworks, so we should follow.
> * Can't see any significant advantages of 1.5.
> * Some users (who may not be active on these mailing lists) are stuck 
> with older containers and cannot upgrade.
> This last point is IMO the most relevant, but is still very abstract. 
> How do we measure how many of these users there are, who could not get 
> by using 2.1.x?  At what point do we say "enough is enough" and make the 
> cut; how many users can we "afford" to leave behind?  The answer 
> obviously can't be "none" since there will always be someone.  If a 
> workable tool like Retroweaver were available would that change these 
> criteria?
> I'd like to hear Joerg's opinion especially on these questions, since 
> his criteria seem to be different than most others'.

Yes, that needs to be the outcome of this discussion so that we don't have to 
discuss the same topic again.

Reinhard Pötz           Independent Consultant, Trainer & (IT)-Coach 

{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}


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