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From Reinhard Poetz <reinh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement
Date Wed, 16 Aug 2006 05:26:50 GMT
Jason Johnston wrote:
> Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>> On 8/15/06, Reinhard Poetz <reinhard@apache.org> wrote:
>>> If I interpret our voting rules correctly, the proposal has been 
>>> rejected
>>> because of the -1 vote.
>>>
>>
>> I disagree.  Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2
>> needs to run on any of these older platforms.  In order for a veto to
>> be considered valid it must be based on a real problem.
> 
> 
> While I'm not personally interested in trying at this point to overturn 
> his veto, I am interested (and I think the community needs to know) what 
> Joerg's criteria for approving an eventual move to 1.5 would need to be, 
> in some measurable way.  I'm sure he would agree that at some point in 
> the future moving to 1.5+ will be appropriate, but how will we know when 
> that time has come?
> 
> So far I've seen the following rationales (please add any I missed):
> 
> * Spring supports 1.3, we're both frameworks, so we should follow.
> * Can't see any significant advantages of 1.5.
> * Some users (who may not be active on these mailing lists) are stuck 
> with older containers and cannot upgrade.
> 
> This last point is IMO the most relevant, but is still very abstract. 
> How do we measure how many of these users there are, who could not get 
> by using 2.1.x?  At what point do we say "enough is enough" and make the 
> cut; how many users can we "afford" to leave behind?  The answer 
> obviously can't be "none" since there will always be someone.  If a 
> workable tool like Retroweaver were available would that change these 
> criteria?
> 
> I'd like to hear Joerg's opinion especially on these questions, since 
> his criteria seem to be different than most others'.

Yes, that needs to be the outcome of this discussion so that we don't have to 
discuss the same topic again.

-- 
Reinhard Pötz           Independent Consultant, Trainer & (IT)-Coach 

{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}

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