Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 26966 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 18:45:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 May 2006 18:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28726 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2006 18:45:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 28653 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2006 18:45:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 28642 invoked by uid 99); 2 May 2006 18:45:06 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 11:45:06 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [66.111.4.27] (HELO out3.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.27) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 11:45:05 -0700 Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29244D4EB6F for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 02 May 2006 14:44:45 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 8ET4TCMNNHrSGL1UmrbyZnrorjXRuEBxHSsK1u9VuPwx 1146595484 Received: from [10.0.0.3] (host-87-74-127-123.bulldogdsl.com [87.74.127.123]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BEA2F44 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4457A898.20502@odoko.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:44:40 +0100 From: Upayavira Organization: Odoko Ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060309) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: [RT] Simplifying setup References: <4455CF5C.4020300@nada.kth.se> <44562DEC.3030502@apache.org> <44568798.3090903@nada.kth.se> <74300a10330a5b0d0a8a880a.20060501154452.enycu.tbref@www.dslextreme.com> <44570721.6040000@apache.org> <445765E1.4060603@dslextreme.com> <4457A22E.6050107@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <4457A22E.6050107@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Reinhard Poetz wrote: > Ralph Goers wrote: > >> I also get paid to do real work. OSGi doesn't fit in those plans. A >> lot of other stuff in trunk does but I can't have it because a release >> of trunk isn't going to happen in 2006. My employer won't pay me to >> work on stuff that they won't see in the next few months. And there >> is enough stuff in 2.1 that needs fixing to keep me busy for a long time. > > What exactly is stopping you from working on trunk to make the release > happen? People differ in terms of their freedom to work. Some people are fortunate in that they have free time that they can contribute to projects they believe in. Others aren't. I myself have a young family, with another on the way, which pretty effectively fills my non-work time. So, the only way I can get to work on projects is to persuade my boss that it is a good idea, and do it on work time. And of course bosses tend not to favour their employees working on speculative projects that _may_ give results, unless that is directly related to the nature of their business. I personally have had the opportunity to introduce Cocoon into my current workplace, but, due to the additional complexity it would have brought to play, have not been able to justify it. Thus, I have not been in a position to contribute to Cocoon in terms of code for quite some time. Personally, I am grateful that you and Daniel are free to do the work that you are doing. If you get a sense of frustration from Ralph, perhaps you can read that as the frustration that he himself doesn't have the kind of free time to give to it that you do. For Ralph to be able to contribute, he needs to be able to justify it. If you could help him justify it, he may help sooner. Otherwise, he'll just carry on waiting. Either, in the end, is just going to have to be fine. But then, surely all of the above is obvious, no? Regards, Upayavira