Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 50645 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 10:52:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 26 May 2006 10:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 42526 invoked by uid 500); 26 May 2006 10:52:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cocoon-dev-archive@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 42458 invoked by uid 500); 26 May 2006 10:52:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cocoon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cocoon.apache.org Received: (qmail 42447 invoked by uid 99); 26 May 2006 10:52:08 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:52:08 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of hedhman@gmail.com designates 64.233.166.182 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.166.182] (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:52:08 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f28so88536pyf for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:51:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=aXZsSV537Ze+oV7+jRYmpvH5IDjKg/AC2nHStUF416u6i3IBT4gHLQ9c5tZnZYKzUPQaMlSYzNiLwEDJnwvcMY/JWGoY3oePA5M8KunMUKRmEQvnBFa/MLlkjbWdodhGavF1owKUBnLG58q9qE6z91uwHEKAxCAFLrXelo6qBd8= Received: by 10.35.40.10 with SMTP id s10mr403848pyj; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clt-5-188.netcompartner.com ( [218.208.244.202]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b43sm271637pyb.2006.05.26.03.51.43; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Niclas Hedhman To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Automatic releases Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:51:39 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <44748DE5.50402@apache.org> <4474BCB2.6070809@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <4474BCB2.6070809@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605261851.39399.niclas@hedhman.org> Sender: Niclas Hedhman X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Thursday 25 May 2006 04:06, Reinhard Poetz wrote: > But basically you're right that we have to clarify the situation in > general. How shall we proceed to get an answer to the question of > "unofficial" artifact releases? Is the pmc@cocoon in the position to decide > such things itself our do we have to discuss this issue with board@apache? > WDOT? "Automatic releases" are not a possibility, for two main reasons; 1. Resources ; Someone pointed out how many artifacts would be created (and in fact Maven will generate a bunch more, such as .pom, .sha1, .md5, .pom.md5, .pom.sha1. Someone else suggested that these would only exist until the next release. That is also not an option. Maven relies on the fact that any build will work 'forever', as old artifacts does not disappear. 2. Legal ; ALL releases from ASF MUST be under the oversight of the responsible PMC. That means active insight and control of what is put into the release, and vouching legally that this is a non-malicious artifact suitable for consumption under a set of constraints. "Automatic releases" bypasses such legal responsibility, and will be found unacceptable by the Board and legal counsel. The obvious solution to the "problem" is smaller components with independent release cycles, but we know that since *years*... Cheers Niclas