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From "Ralph Goers" <>
Subject Re: [RT] Simplifying setup
Date Tue, 02 May 2006 21:01:45 GMT
Thanks, Upayavira.  Your response is better than what I would have written

In addition, I have quite a bit of frustration that it doesn't seem (from
my perspective) that it is all that important to those who do have the
time to try to get a release of trunk out.  It would make it far easier
for me to recommend moving to 2.2, and this be given the time at work, if
a release was in sight.  As it is I expect there to be several milestone
releases before a 2.2.0 is released.  I pushed hard for a 2.1.9 release
primarily because my project at work is on a deadline and I needed all the
latest portal patches.  I am currently adding enhancements to the 2.1.9
base even though I know Carsten has already added similar functionality in
trunk.  Believe me, I'd much rather just use those, but given the way
things are I really don't have a choice.


Upayavira said:
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>> Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> I also get paid to do real work.  OSGi doesn't fit in those plans.  A
>>> lot of other stuff in trunk does but I can't have it because a release
>>> of trunk isn't going to happen in 2006.  My employer won't pay me to
>>> work on stuff that they won't see in the next few months.  And there
>>> is enough stuff in 2.1 that needs fixing to keep me busy for a long
>>> time.
>> What exactly is stopping you from working on trunk to make the release
>> happen?
> People differ in terms of their freedom to work. Some people are
> fortunate in that they have free time that they can contribute to
> projects they believe in. Others aren't.
> I myself have a young family, with another on the way, which pretty
> effectively fills my non-work time. So, the only way I can get to work
> on projects is to persuade my boss that it is a good idea, and do it on
> work time.
> And of course bosses tend not to favour their employees working on
> speculative projects that _may_ give results, unless that is directly
> related to the nature of their business.
> I personally have had the opportunity to introduce Cocoon into my
> current workplace, but, due to the additional complexity it would have
> brought to play, have not been able to justify it. Thus, I have not been
> in a position to contribute to Cocoon in terms of code for quite some
> time.
> Personally, I am grateful that you and Daniel are free to do the work
> that you are doing. If you get a sense of frustration from Ralph,
> perhaps you can read that as the frustration that he himself doesn't
> have the kind of free time to give to it that you do.
> For Ralph to be able to contribute, he needs to be able to justify it.
> If you could help him justify it, he may help sooner. Otherwise, he'll
> just carry on waiting. Either, in the end, is just going to have to be
> fine.
> But then, surely all of the above is obvious, no?
> Regards, Upayavira

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